Outfoxing the 9/11 Coverup

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psikeyhackr December 25, 2009 4:26 pm (Pacific time)

Let’s just face a few simple facts.

Skyscrapers MUST hold themselves up. They must also sway in the wind. The people who design skyscrapers MUST figure out how much steel and how much concrete they are going to put on every level before they even dig the hole for the foundation.

After EIGHT YEARS why don’t we have a table specifying the TONS of STEEL and TONS of CONCRETE that were on every level of WTCs 1and2? The NIST report does not even specify the TOTAL for the concrete. The total for the steel is in three places. So even if the planes did it that 10,000 page report is CRAP!

Conspiracies are irrelevant. The Truth Movement should be marching on all of the engineering schools in the country.

Watch that Purdue simulation. If a 150 ton airliner crashes near the top of a skyscraper at 440 mph isn’t the building going to sway? Didn’t the survivors report the building “moving like a wave”? So why do the core columns in the Purdue video remain perfectly still as the plane comes in?

That is the trouble with computer simulations. If they are good, they are very good. But if they have a defect either accidental or deliberate they can be REALLY STUPID once you figure out the flaws.

The distributions of steel and concrete are going to affect the sway of a skyscraper whether it is from the wind or an airliner.

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How much does one complete floor assembly weigh?

You know those square donut floor slabs? They were 205 ft square with a rectangular hole for the core. There was a steel rebar mesh embedded in the concrete which was poured onto corrugated steel pans which were supported by 35 and 60 foot trusses. There has been talk about those things pancaking on each other for years.

But has anyone ever said what the whole thing weighed? Why haven't we seen that A LOT in EIGHT YEARS? The concrete alone is easy to compute, about 601 tons. But the concrete could not be separated from the entire assembly, the upper knuckles of the trusses were embedded into the concrete. So what did the whole thing weigh and why haven't the EXPERTS been mentioning that A LOT in EIGHT YEARS?

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So why hasn't Richard Gage and his buddies produced a table with the TONS of STEEL and TONS of CONCRETE that were on every level of the WTC? How much computing power do they have now, compared to the early 1960s when the buildings were designed? I asked Gage about that in May of 2008 at Chicago Circle Campus and he got a surprised look on his face and gave me this LAME excuse about the NIST not releasing accurate blueprints. Gravity hasn't changed since the 1960s. They should be able to come up with some reasonable numbers.

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Jacqo September 29, 2009 8:05 pm (Pacific time)

No one will ever know the complete truth, why debate it?

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Anonymous September 27, 2009 7:15 pm (Pacific time)

Conspiracy theorists, largely proven correct thus far, refer to Murdoch’s position as leader of the Israeli ultra-right wing Zionist movement as a rationale for his continued involvement in the cover up. No proof of Israeli involvement in the planning and execution of 9/11 has been offered except for Murdoch’s relentless disinformation campaign." ummmm…. what? there has been PLENTY of proof, dipshit. how about the HUNDREDS of ISRAELIS who were ARRESTED on the day of 9/11? that's not proof of anything, right? or urban moving systems? that's not proof either, eh? what about the israeli security company that was in charge? what about odigo and their text messages? what about the dancing israelis, who later went on israeli TV and claimed they were there “to document the event?” no, there was no proof israel was part of the “planning and execution” of 9/11.

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nader paul kucinich gravel September 27, 2009 7:09 am (Pacific time)

The Five Dancing Israelis arrested on 9/11 in NYC now demand The United States start and fight more wars for Israel.

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Bob September 26, 2009 2:51 pm (Pacific time)

9/11 was just another false flag attack in a long line of them. Its real purpose was to instill fear into the US population and allow the "evil doers" to bring in lots of draconian laws that remove freedoms as well as launch invasions into areas that they wish to use in future wars with Russia and possibly China. It was also the beginning of the end for the US government. The people who really run this place WANT the people to KNOW for sure that their "elected" officials are corrupt and in fact criminals guilty of many things including mass murder. Once they know that they will demand something to be done and the UN will step in and say the US must join with Canada and Mexico to form a new more trustworthy government and in return they will try all the "criminals" and restore the rule of law....which is a total joke cause the entire thing was planned to happen that way from the very beginning. Just another illusion created to push the human sheep population in a certain direction without them even knowing it is happening.

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Georgann Marks September 26, 2009 4:29 am (Pacific time)

I was in Belgium on 9/11. My hotel was filled with Japanese and German businessmen - all huddled around the TV while the planes hit the towers. the only words I understood were MOSSAD and JEW To a man -- the entire parlor was filled with skeptics who immediately identified the culprits as MOSSAD. This was a false flag operation to enlist America and the world to a new round of Islamophobia.

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Justin Thought September 26, 2009 3:00 am (Pacific time)

Just pinched myself to confirm I was human. Ouch! I ate a cookie to console myself. I have a theory (hear that, it's a THEORY) about Building 7. IF you believe that it was a controlled demolition - and watching it, I can think of no other explanation - it was a normal, bottom-up CD. Now how could The Corporation (what many call The Illuminati or NWO, but really, it's just a hostile corporate takeover) cause such an event and hope to get away with it? Well, that building was SUPPOSED to come down while the dust and debris from the falling twin towers concealed the event; then it would have just been a footnote to an otherwise eventful day. But our good buddy Giuliani gave us a hint as to why it didn't come down. He stated that as he was exiting the building, he found the way blocked, trapping them in the building. Can you imagine the consternation he felt as he was leaving a building that is scheduled to be demolished at any minute? "Call off the demo! Call it off NOW!" But it had to go. There was too much evidence, both of the involvement of the "Command Center" in the other demolitions, as well as all that evidence that was to be used to prosecute Enron and others. So, at 5:20 that afternoon, someone said to go ahead and do it, we'll just cover it up by hiding it from the people as much as possible. Show it once, comment on how disastrous it was, then send it down the memory hole. Just a conspiracy theory, remember that, but as good as any theory I've heard so far.

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Mike H. September 25, 2009 9:49 pm (Pacific time)

I think someone who spells steel as steal is not very credible. Just my opinion. Unless you are talking about the theft of the truth. Then yes, the steal has been weakened.

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Harold Pinter September 25, 2009 9:34 pm (Pacific time)

Unfortunately for the conspiracy theorists, the book mentioned above doesn't debunk the essential facts of 9/11. What it does do is expose garden variety agency incompetence and screwups, as well as a few repeated misstatements of fact by the Bush Administration, especially former Vice President Cheney. http://www.mysanantonio.com/entertainment/books/56204102.html But don't let a few facts get in the way of spinning a good tale.

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JP September 25, 2009 5:44 pm (Pacific time)

In reference to the "Hundreds of respected leaders of the military, law enforcement, intelligence and scientific communities", go to www.patriotsquestion911.com

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Greg Houser September 25, 2009 2:05 pm (Pacific time)

It seems that my hint about understanding basic chemistry and physics along with the endless variables that would come into play, which they did, on 9/11 just passed by on some. Once again discuss with say an arson inspector (Salem Oregon has some I'm sure would like to help you) the melting of tempered metal in homes and cars that would not melt in normal burning temperatures, including titanium, or any metal of your choice. Please think on this, a massive fire in a high rise building that just took a major structural hit with many floors above causing further stress on weakened steal continues to weaken until it has no more load-bearing capacity. Now consider that as the fire gets bigger it draws in more and more air, like a bellows the airstream continues to increase. The temperature continues to rise then of course you have all kinds of chemical reactions from different materials that are fueling the conflageration. My thinking on this conspiracy scenario is that all four jets that crashed would have to fit into your conspiracy scenario, not one of them does. Say a missle hit the Pentagon, then all those witnesses were wrong? All those jet parts and human remains and personal effects were just there by coincidence? Pretty thin.

Tim King: Hey Greg, you have every right to your opinion, but in your last sentence you state something that does not in any way exist, that I know of.  Where exactly are all those photos of body parts?  I have seen plenty of photos that were taken that day but no evidence of what you said at all.  So steer us toward a source on that, will you?  Next, this is not "my conspiracy theory" though I think you are solidly locked into one.  Believing this stuff from the feds requires some real adventurous thinking to say the least.  I know the sheep all nod, but thinking people question things and do not just quickly accept the status quo. 

I notice that you make no mention of building seven.  Even if your far fetched theories that defy science (I have talked to a lot of people about this including engineers and fire inspectors, long long list.) were somehow plausible, you nor anyone else can even begin to explain why Building #7 came down also.  You've been had pal and I wish it wasn't true also, and if you were somehow right, and that was demonstrated to us, then we would all let this rest.  But you are the real enemy of truth here.  Make no mistake, you are either being paid to do this or you have an incredibly  closed mind, you are here to disprove developing and well established science.  We're Americans, we want to know the truth about this tragedy

Finally, there are as many or more witnesses who say that absolutely was not an airliner that hit the building, they are all on the Web, you can look at them.  And, the ones who do say "yeah it was a 757" sound like they are absolutely blowing smoke.  Also, you tossed in "titanium" in your little attempt to make people believe that there are many variables in fire, which is partly true, but I don't think you know very much about that subject; I have a friend who dismantles 757's for a living in Asia, and he said that no matter what, no fire will melt the 757's titanium engine housings, at least not the kind that followed the Pentagon crash.  Then there is the fact that no wreckage that does appear in the photos matches up with the type of plane they claim it to be.  I am happy to continue this discussion, just start by addressing the cause behind Building 7 mysteriously falling to the earth.  I can tell you that most people don't even know there is a third building, the government and the mainstream press kept that one nice and quiet .   

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Mike H. September 25, 2009 1:28 pm (Pacific time)

Okay, I have a question. Say this all is a conspiracy, that 9/11 was in fact an inside job. Who is going to pay the price? If anyone high up ever admits to conspiracy on 9/11 there will be a wild fire that will consume all those who were involved. I don't think the American people will be happy...

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Dionysius September 25, 2009 1:06 pm (Pacific time)

the U.S. government has been an illegitimate 'farce' and 'sad joke on the populace' since Nov. 22, 1963. Since then, the Military Industrial Complex has owned and operated Amerika for the illuminati Rothschilds and Bilderbergers, conducting false flag after false flag (Ruby Ridge, WACO, OKC, WTC attack in 1993, etc..) On Sept. 11, 2001, they just 'over-reached' and did not do the necessary due diligence to ensure that all of their obvious screwups (WTC-7 collapsing well outside the time window they wanted it to) (no appreciable wreckage from a B-757 at the Pentagon, no engine penetration points, and the 270 plus degree 'circle' maneuver to hit a specific portion of the Pentagon called 'The Catchers Mit', that housed the investigators looking into Dov Zackheim's 2.3 TRILLION DOLLAR heist to Israel of U.S. funds from Pentagon spending. I urge you to look at these links:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4648624627192508186andq=pandoras+black+boxandtotal=46andstart=0andnum=10andso=0andtype=searchandplindex=1

and this Italian documentary about 9/11:

http://dprogram.net/2009/02/24/film-zero-investigation-into-911/

clearly you can see that this is precisely why the 'fictional' AL-CIA-DA (al qaeda) stooges were only there to make the government and Mossad run attacks look 'plausible' using these operatives in such an obvious and seriously 'attention getting' way to make the average Amerikan idiot in the street believe that '19' (still breathing) hijackers could carry this out and defeat NORAD.

Editor: I was reading this with interest until I reached this point, which is deleted.  You are warned and there will only be one such warning, that you will not use Salem-News.com as some kind of place to suggest criminal activity, get it?   

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Lucifer's Taxi September 25, 2009 12:22 pm (Pacific time)

What if 9/11 was not the end-but the beginning, of something.....something even more monstrous- something that will be upon us all- very soon!?! Then what?

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Lokis September 25, 2009 11:52 am (Pacific time)

Why is not our former warrior President asked about these issues - he knows the answers. I heard that Obama may resurrect a commission headed by Karl Rove to dig deeper into the 911 incident. Could it be that no one of significance died that day - like Michael Jackson or Brittany?

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Greg Houser September 25, 2009 10:15 am (Pacific time)

I like this bit of logic: "For example, check out the melting temperature of steel, then compare it to the burning temperature of JP-8. That is one simple thing anyone can do." Talk to any local fireman and ask them why the metal in a car fire melts when the burning temperature of gasoline is below the melting temperature? If that individual cannot provide a good enough answer for you, then do some simple research. I recall high school chemistry and physics courses that provided many scientific answers to the conspiracy questions of 9/11, but then that would be too easy.

Tim King: Greg, This is easy to look up; According to http://www.tcforensic.com.au/docs/article10.html, gasoline ignites at 257°C. Also, Wiki Answers states that the temperature of flames from burning petrol is 471°-560°C (879.8° to 1040° fahrenheit) The maximum burning temperature of diesel is: 980 °C (1796 °F)  Cast iron melts at approximately 1,370 °C (2,500 °F)  But that is only part of this story.  Those towers were built by the world's top engineers and they were specifically designed to take one or more hits from a 727.  Regardless of all arguments, it is also a fact that the buildings had center cores that would have still stood.  Then there is the fact that no other buildings like them have ever collapsed from fire.  But even if all of those arguments were flawed, which they are not, nobody can explain the third building falling.  It wasn't even on fire, but it was sitting on top of billions in World Bank gold bars that were somehow evacuated just before the building came tumbling to the ground at freefall speed; all but one truck that is.   

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hANOVER fIST September 25, 2009 9:59 am (Pacific time)

One point to discuss is the removal of the bomb-sniffing dogs prior to the events of September 11th, 2001. This is unexplained, and IMHO, inexplicable. The dogs would have detected the materials brought in by the "undocumented" workers in the weeks preceding the attacks. Please visit 911LIARSEXPOSED.blogspot.com - I invite your commentary.

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Erik Larson September 25, 2009 9:44 am (Pacific time)

Unless someone can produce hard evidence that Jews are an evil master race "responsible for all the wars in the world", as Mel Gibson put it, i'm skeptical of claims/insinuations that they are, and i'm skeptical of the judgment and motivations of those promoting that perspective. Other nations/races have also engaged in imperialist behavior, exploitation and deceit- Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Persia in the ancient past, and in recent history, Holland, France, England, Germany and the U.S. Israel has stolen Palestinian lands, spies on the US and influences US foreign policy- and so does Turkey, Saudi Arabia and probably others.

Seems to me the problem can't be blamed on one race or ideology- one common thread runs in all these situations- people grabbing power and it going to their head. People gaining great wealth, and instead of doing good with it, they become megalomaniacal and invest their wealth in grabbing more power, using it to maintain their position and privilege, even at the expense of other's rights and lives. Powerful people are rarely exposed or held accountable, and if they aren't they often become bolder and continue to do evil things in pursuit of power and security for their ill-gotten gains, even teaching their kids to do the same things.

People who focus solely on Israel are discrediting the 9/11 Truth Movement, imho- in most cases it's not clear if that's due to racism, or as an intentional act of sabotage. Duff ties in Israel's attack on the USSS Liberty and cover up by the White House (Jewish lackeys, in his opinion?) but doesn't mention the Nazi's staging the Reichstag fire and Polish takeover of a radio station, or US false-flags such as the USSS Maine, faked threat and annexation of Hawaii, FDR and Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, Operation Northwoods, Gulf War-promoting Kuwait incubator babies GHW Bush lie, or Iraq WMD lies promoted by Bush, jr as pretext. Duff does ask and state, "Was the Bush administration trying to repeat the Middle Eastern takeover tried by Lyndon Johnson long ago? Exposure of their plans to invade Iraq, made long before 9/11 need to be added into the equation." However, given the general tone of the article, i wonder if he would blame this on manipulation by Jews and 'Zionists'.

Editor:  Perhaps this is all a big joke to you but people are putting their foot down right now the world over when it comes to Israeli politics.  You would have to have your head in the sand or be lost on a deserted island to be as out of touch as you claim to be.  In fact the Nazi's are all you ever have to fall back on, and it is not today, it is yesterday, it is history.  Today the people of Gaza and all of the Occupied Palestine suffer from the bully politics of Israel and people who care to spend just a small amount of time with the subject know it is true. 

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robertsgt40 September 25, 2009 6:34 am (Pacific time)

Nice going Gordo. Getting closer every day. The rats are starting to panic and scramble. Sunlight is a great disinfectant. Interview with Dr. Steve Jones is just about in order. Keep it up.

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Anonymous September 25, 2009 6:26 am (Pacific time)

On Sunday, September 27 at 2 p.m., The New York City Coalition for Accountability Now (NYC CAN), a group comprising 9/11 family members, first responders and survivors, will march from Battery Park to City Hall in protest of the City’s attempt to block the referendum for a fresh probe of the 9/11 attacks from going on the November ballot. Source: NYC CAN p.s. why is the city trying so hard to stop a new investigation? and: maybe the mainstream media can quit crying (not telling the truth) about how the 911 victims families feel. Most of them want a new investigation. Yet again MORE mis-information from mainstream news.

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Anonymous September 25, 2009 6:04 am (Pacific time)

The only people engaging in conspiracy theories are the idiots who believe the official fairy tale. The rest are engaged in conspiracy realities.

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Ted Guertin September 25, 2009 5:45 am (Pacific time)

Message to Editor: the message from "BUDDAH September 24, 2009 6:27 pm" looks like classic COINTEL dis-information meant to muddy the waters and discredit the people with legitimate questions. Beware of this nonsense folks.

Editor: Ted and others who have contacted us today over this, I am going to delete the comment in question, thanks for paying attention.

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Ted Guertin September 25, 2009 5:40 am (Pacific time)

Gordon Duff and the Editor are to be highly commended for their willingness to question the official 9/11 story. Thank you, and keep it up guys. To the guy looking for a source to the comment " Hundreds of respected leaders of the military, law enforcement, intelligence and scientific communities question the credibility of an investigation now proven beyond a doubt a conspiracy in itself." - check out www.patriotsquestions911.com.

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Anonymous September 25, 2009 5:16 am (Pacific time)

Editor: I agree, no one had to spoon feed me. Its all over the internet if one wants to take the time to search. AE911truth.org has almost 1000 architects/engineers/scientists on board, and have proven, on a world peer review science website that nano thermite was found at the trade centers, and pilotsfor911truth.org have some interesting facts also. Gordon: I was able to get a couple of other popular websites to post this article. They only post about 25% of the articles I send them, so congratulations.
In closing: I am having reservations in regards to a new investigation. They will just lie and cover stuff up again, and yet again, we will have an independent group claiming cover up, and it starts all over. I think the best thing to do, is just awaken people to the truth. I know its difficult for some to accept this truth. Especially military who have fought for this country. I remember it like it was yesterday, but many years ago, when the truth hit, I was sick for days. It changes your life completely. It was not a nice experience, but once you get thru it, the truth does set you free.
The only active group trying to debunk 911 truth, is poopular mechanics, owned by the Hearst family, which are, of course, bed partners with the federal government. What a coincidence huh?

Editor: An interesting side note is that our friend; noted author and hemp activist Jack Herer, exposed the ties between  the federal govt., Dow, Dupont and the Hearst Newspaper chain, whieh led to criminalizing marijuana in 1937.  I have written endlessly about the PM article and the Hearst connection is not to be overlooked.  Thanks for your comment.  

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Arnie September 25, 2009 4:19 am (Pacific time)

Thought this would be of interest to readers. Since September 2001 I have maintained a free and confidential "9/11 list-serv". The "9/11 list-serv" distributes daily e-mails containing newspaper articles and other relevant information re: 9/11 issues of interest to 9/11 families, 9/11 organizations and interested individuals. The 9/11 List-serv archives can be accessed at http://groups.google.com/group/911-list-serv If you would like to 'subscribe' to this free news service - send an e-mail to amkorotkin@aol.com with the word "subscribe" in the subject box. Arnie

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MuslimSage September 25, 2009 12:11 am (Pacific time)

Scarlett, I think you're guessing right. The next "sucker" is China. Don't forget the "elites" own that country as they do our poor old U S of A. Gordon, good work buddy. May Allah bless you with the capacity to learn the truth. You and more and more people like you, in fact all of us true patriots, veteran or not, should shout till the comatose populace wakes up.

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jpsmith September 24, 2009 9:17 pm (Pacific time)

Obviously, the 9/11 attacks are just the latest Zionist false-flag terrorism against the U.S. That's what the evidence points to - a Zionist crime aided and abetted by some treasonous high U.S. government officers, e.g., Cheney. Another poster reminds of the Zionist agents captured and then mysteriously let go. Zionist agents were/are also big players in the cover-up. http://colorado911visibility.org/2009/05/26/%e2%80%9cchief-engineer%e2%80%9d-hyman-brown-by-patrick-marks/#comment-3

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September 24, 2009 5:07 pm (Pacific time)

Gordon: you are getting closer, keep it up. never stop learning or questioning. Gordon: you have now engaged in the rabbit hole that is going to lead you to truths you cant even imagine. I will pray for you. Promise. Thanks to salem-news for taking a big chance in letting the truth come out. I dont have a tv, but I can see clips of mainstream news. The G20 protestors were calm. But, the government will hire people to cause problems, then beat them up, to show you how much we need them..Dont be fooled by this rogue government. Think for yourselves. The only people out there that cause problems, are the ones the government hires. Thru PEACEFUL continued protests, the truth will get out there. The elite are scared now, and will do anything to keep the truth away from the citizens. You Gordon, have put another big wedge in their destructive agenda. thanks.

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Truthman September 24, 2009 8:35 pm (Pacific time)

Bravo! Could you please assemble about 1000 more soldiers like yourself and have a "coup?" Becasue that's what happened on November 22, 1963 and theses criminals haven't looked back. The very audacity to do the things they have done (and so far gotten away with) is and embarrasment to our military and country. Yes, that was the first "coup", but please, can we not have another? Bring it home, please, bring it home.

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Erik Larson September 24, 2009 7:11 pm (Pacific time)

Certainly, the 9/11 Commission was a fraud of an investigation, http://911reports.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/911-truth-part-3-of-11-the-911-commission-cover-up/ the 'mainstream' media have failed to ask questions, investigate and report, and a full investigation is in order- including into the cover up. However, John Farmer and his book essentially support the Commission Report; as Farmer said when interviewed by Brad Friedman, "I think the report is, uh, extremely accurate, and- and sets forth the facts of 9/11." http://www.bradblog.com/?page_id=7416 The Commission Report noted "inaccurate" testimony by NORAD officials on pg 34. The DOD IG 'investigated' and concluded it was due to inaccurate record keeping, not wrong doing. Kean, Kerrey and other Commissioners have made statements that challenge the idea that the Commission thoroughly investigated 9/11, but not recently, AFAIK

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Anonymous September 24, 2009 5:49 pm (Pacific time)

Source this comment Gordon Duff: "* Hundreds of respected leaders of the military, law enforcement, intelligence and scientific communities question the credibility of an investigation now proven beyond a doubt a conspiracy in itself." This lays down the need for some credibility for Mr. Duff. I also am a combat-decorated Vietnam Vet at 100% disability. Many of my friends and former military associates would like to see this comment sourced. Thanks.

Editor: Our writers don't need to spoon feed the obvious do they?  There are hundreds of millions of people in the U.S. and I don't think that line should be put up for the big test.  To say hundreds could represent as few as two hundred people.  Do you honestly need to be convinced that a couple of hundred people believe it?  There were several hundred professors years ago signing their names to this.  There is another group called lawyers for 9/11 truth.  If you simply look at the evidence and then reference what the government says, you can do a few simple searches.  For example, check out the melting temperature of steel, then compare it to the burning temperature of JP-8.  That is one simple thing anyone can do.  Then watch the videos that were rolling a few seconds before the first building came down, and watch the camera shake from what appears to be a clear explosion.  Listen to the New York firefighters talk about the explosions, it goes on and on and really begins with the passports of the alleged terrorists being found so damned easily from a crash scene where even the flight recorders were not located.   

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Scarlett September 24, 2009 5:47 pm (Pacific time)

I would say the arrest, detainment and ultimate release of the "dancing Israelis" lends more credibility to Israel staging a false flag attack on the US than CIA asset Bin Laden managing to orchestrate a complete and total bypass of all military defenses on 9/11 from a cave in Afghanistan. The "dancing Israelis" set up their camera PRIOR to the FIRST airplane hit and have admitted they were sent to "document" the event. They were celebrating, dressed like Arabs, had money hidden in their socks, had maps with important areas noted, had boxcutters and the van tested positive for explosives. People have been convicted with far less circumstantial evidence. Why have we never seen the video that they shot? Why did they claim that their problems (the Palestinians) were our problems? I think they meant that they had just made them our problem so we would take out their enemies for them. So far, their plan seems to be working. If we fall for it again and attack Iran -- we will start WWIII for them and we will lose while the Israelis sell out us to the next "sucker" who will do their bidding. I'm guessing that is probably China ...

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