Reverend Benny & Mister Sid's At Your Service #45

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Davis May 26, 2009 8:37 am (Pacific time)

Glen thanks for the input. I shall go evaluate your link when time allows. Thanks. Though I certainly do remember how a relatively small percentage of people thought Ted Danson (and his scientific advisors) "felt" he was correct in his predictions. You said in four years the poles would be melted. We shall see. By the way there are literally thousands of scientists who at one time via the UN, edorsed the global warming scenario, but have now concluded that it has no scientific merit. In recent Gallup and Zogby polls, the majority of Americans consider global warming as low priority. I certainly admit I have very little background in climatology (just six semester hours), but I do know how to interpret much of the scientific results that I have researched. Have you heard how many of the projected "green jobs" will be permanent? I heard less than 10%. Even if it was 100%, how would that square with the number of current workers involved in domestic energy fields who would loose their jobs? Have you compared the average emissions from volcanoes with manmade emissions? So if we all stopped burning so-called fossil fuel immediately (even China, India and other similar countries) do you think that would ameliorate the dire predictions for the poles melting? Predicting next weeks weather would be far more accurate than what some are predicting years down the road and how accurate are they in the short term? Many causal variables to calculate, so that's why the written records of the last couple thousand years coupled with the geologic records provides a far more accurate forcast than what some are purporting in my opinion.

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Glen May 25, 2009 6:59 pm (Pacific time)

Davis: http://www.climatecooling.org is disinformation. The internet is like that. Anybody can put up anything they like and the naive can choose to believe it. If you want a valid resource check http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/home.html. That would be U. S. government research not a small collective of crackpots. Not that I expect you to accept research from the U. S. government, so go put your head back in the sand and let the rest of us adults (and our children and their children) see if we can't save civilization as we know it. In the unlikely event that we can, you can step up and say, "What global warming?"

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Davis May 24, 2009 10:15 am (Pacific time)

Glen I have watched the Inconvenient Truth a couple of times with family members. We took copious notes, asked questions, then went out to research different viewpoint from a variety of professionals, like climatologists, geologists, physical anthropologists, etc. As I posted earlier Glen there is much conflicting data. I do say that from my research, the poles are not melting or warming up in any threatening fashion. In fact the opposite appears to be happening. Even the polar bear population has been increasing. Did you have the time to review the site http://www.climatecooling.org ? It provides a wealth of counterpoints to Gore's film, and also allows for links to other references. I recall when I was an undergraduate that some of my instructors were telling us to brace for a new ice age, which at that time carried some mild credibility because we were experienceing some colder than normal weather, like currently. Have you talked to anyone who works up above the artic circle? You get a variety of responses, so that's why empirical data is superior to (snapshot)individual assessments in my opinion. I guess we shall see in four years Glen. Around 2,000 years ago the area that is England was written about it's fantastic grape/wine growing climate. Then it cooled and around the 14th century it warmed again for a while. Since 1950, even with the introduction of different grape hybrids this area has not been able to develop sustained commercial wineries. Cooling and heating is a pretty normal process as per the geologic record. Not to mention the fossil record that shows thousands of different species of animal and plant life that disappeared long before man was drawing breath.

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elguapo May 23, 2009 9:06 pm (Pacific time)

And Davis the oceans may not be dead but they are in horrible shape. Must we wait until the oceans are dead before we give a cr*p?

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Glen May 23, 2009 5:19 pm (Pacific time)

Any cooling is a down-tick in a much longer warming trend. You've got to go back a farther than 128 years to see it, but it's there. If it's cooling, Davis, why are the poles melting at an alarming rate? Have you watched "An Inconvenient Truth"? It addresses all your misconceptions.

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Davis May 23, 2009 8:39 am (Pacific time)

Gosh Glenn please don't connect me with McCain, gives me the heebie jeebies. Below is a quote from an excellent source that has a an excellent array of scientific climate data you might find helpful. As I posted previously there is a lot of conflicting climate info, and the below source may clear some things up for people who desire more comprehensive information. "As the sun goes even quieter and January, 2008 saw the greatest year to year temperature drop ever (128 years of NASA GISS data) and thru the end of 2008 remains relatively cool, it is clear cooling needs to be considered as a very plausible future. This is highlighted by 2 papers published in March 2008. Scafetta and West showed that up to 69% of observed warming is from the sun and remind us that the sun is projected to cool..." http://www.climatecooling.org/

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Glen May 22, 2009 5:29 pm (Pacific time)

Nice timing, Davis. You did a John McCain. You posted your "more and more people are not considering global warming...as [a] high priority" comment just as USA Today published this article entitled "Global warming may be Twice as bad as previously expected." And your notion that global warming is a plot to make money is ludicrous. The oil industry has far more to gain by trying to confuse the issue, and is doing so with your help. We were warned about CO2 build up as early as 1958 (see the YouTube clip above). Better sell your ocean front properties while you can.

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Davis May 21, 2009 7:10 am (Pacific time)

In 1990 the actor Ted Danson was putting out national commercials that our oceans would be devoid of all life by the year 2000. In recent congressional testimony by Al Gore he was questioned about his "profits" (aka a capitalist byproduct) in the selling of greenhouse credits and other ventures his businesses were making as he flew around the world in private jets. His response was more or less that does anyone have a problem with the American way of doing business? I also would like to point out that in the last couple years the ice in the north pole area has been freezing in record time. Lots of conflicting data being presented, but more and more people are not considering global warming, now being called climate change, as high priority, except those who profit and/or see cap and trade as a new tax revenue stream. Four years will go by quickly, so if we see the poles have or have not melted, I guess we'll see which scientists have the correct answer. My money is with those that say we are in a cooling trend, not unlike what the geologic record ackowledges as a continuous cycle of warming and cooling, long before the combustible engine and long before man existed.

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