Two Adults Arrested in Salem on Multiple Counts of Child Abuse

They are accused of crimes against their 7 children, by the children themselves.

(SALEM, Ore.) - A mother and father accused of child abuse by their own kids, were arrested Sunday in Salem. Lt. Sheila Lorance with the Marion County Sheriff's Office, says it began with deputy response to a 9-1-1 call from Pet Smart on Lancaster Drive regarding a report of child abuse.

Lorance said, "When Deputies arrived they made contact with three children ages 15, 14 and 13 who indicated their parents had been physically abusing them since they arrived in the United States from the Ukraine in 2003."

She says deputies found significant evidence of abuse on the children and contacted the Department of Human Services (DHS) who took the children into protective custody.

"Deputies and DHS then went to the children's residence in the 400 block of Alexander Street in Salem. At the residence they located four more children ages 11, 10, 9 as well as an infant who was 6 days old and DHS also took those children into protective custody."

Lorance says Marion County Detective Mat LaCrosse continued the investigation and yesterday, 40-year old Alexander Kozlov and 39-year old Lyudmila Kozlova were arrested.

Both were arrested on the following charges: 6 counts of second-degree Assault, 6 counts of first-degree Criminal Mistreatment, 6 counts of Unlawful use of a Weapon and 6 counts of Coercion.

Lorance says the investigation is continuing in this case and any further information will be released by the Marion County District Attorneys Office.

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Shhh March 6, 2017 12:49 am (Pacific time)

They were let out of prison in Aug 2015 and reunited with family. Their oldest son got in a motorcycle accident and lost his leg recently.

Anonymous November 26, 2016 2:35 pm (Pacific time)

I always wondered about this family. Would it be possible to write how they all turned out???

Tarja Karhu May 3, 2013 9:30 pm (Pacific time)

FYI, "It's just me", I'm not a Christian; I'm more of an Atheist. Try again.

Anonymous July 3, 2012 5:59 pm (Pacific time)

To those who bash Tarja for standing up for the kids, she is against child abuse; are you for it? Well, you should be locked up if so! That makes me sick to even think that people like you are completely against the children! Parents with at least half of the clue will be able to raise their kids without ever resorting to violence. Seriously, you guys need a reality check! Oh, and call me "anti-family" all you want, but if you think that parents should always force submission on their kids and beat them, especially in the name of God, then you're sadly mistaken; if you think that kids are only good for obedience, then you're still mistaken! Oh, and I was abused many times as a kid and that DID NOT help at all; that just made things worse! Oh, and as for the Kozlovs, the parents lost custody of their kids except for the baby and may never see said kids ever again anymore; get over it! Oh, and God's just a particle! Seriously, we're in the 21st century now and no one is supposed to beat kids like that in this century anymore...and if you don't like that, then try moving back to Russia or something! If you don't think what they did to their kids is abuse, then you might want to talk to your kids about it and then ask them if they think it is abuse.

JUSTIFICATION March 17, 2012 11:21 pm (Pacific time)

I SEE MANY OF THE RUSSIAN/UKRAINIAN PEOPLE HAVE COME HERE AND EXPRESSED THEIR FEELING AND OPINIONS REGARDING THIS FAMILY AND THE ABUSE THAT WENT ON. IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY IS EXPRESSING THE SAME VIRTUAL BELIEF SYSTEM THAT IS BASED ON THE BIBLE AND THE SCRIPTURE.... REFERING TO THE "SPARE THE ROD" WHICH IS CONSIDERED THE DISCIPLINE PART OF THIS STORY. IT DOES SAY THAT IN THE BIBLE. BUT GOD DID NOT LAY OUT THE FOUNDATION TO THE EXTENT OF "IF YOUR CHILD DOES THIS, YOU HIT THEM THIS MANY TIMES... OR IF HE/SHE COMMITS THIS,,, THEN YOU HIT THEM THIS MANY TIMES.... GOD GAVE US THE BRAINS TO USE AND UNDERSTAND AND JUDGE FOR OUR SELVES.... AND NOT GO BEYOND THE MEASURES OF DISCIPLING YOUR CHILDREN...... WHO DECIDES WHAT "DISCIPLINE' MEANS AND TO WHAT EXTENT IT CAN BE TAKEN???? THAT IS WHY THERE ARE LAWS IN EVERY COUNTRY AND EVERY COUNTRY HAS DIFFERENT MEASURES OF THOSE LAWS.... IN AMERICA THERE IS THE LAW THAT ALLOWS YOU TO SPANK YOUR CHILD WITH AN OPEN HAND AND NOT LEAVE ANY MARKS ON THE BODY.... THATS THE LAW HERE.... THE REASON FOR THIS LAW AND WHY IT CAME INTO THE LAW... IS BASED ON THE REALITY OF ABUSE AND HATRED THAT IS BEING COMMITED ON CHILDREN OF ALL AGES. THE LAW IS THERE TO PROTECT INNOCENT KIDS THAT DONT HAVE ANYBODY ELSE THAT THEY CAN TURN TO FOR HELP..... IN THIS SITUATION THE 14- YEAR OLD GIRL WAS SEVERLY WHIPPED WITH A TELEPHONE CORD BECAUSE SHE CUT HER LONG HAIR AND THAT WAS AGAINST HER MOTHERS BELIEF SYSTEM...AND I SAY HER MOTHERS BECAUSE THE MOTHER TESTIFIED IN COURT THAT IN THEIR CHURCH... THE RELIGIOUS BELIEF IS THAT WOMAN DO NOT CUT THEIR HAIR... WELL EXCUSE ME.... WHERE DOES IT IN THE BIBLE SAY THAT WOMEN ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CUT THEIR HAIR??? THATS A BELIEF THAT IGNORANT PEOPLE THEIR SELVES HAVE ESTABLISHED...... AND BECAUSE THE DAUGHTER AT 14 AS A TEENAGER WANTED TO CUT HER HAIR,, SHE GOT WHIPPED WITH A TELEPHONE CORD....... AND NOW THE MOM IS USING THE BIBLE TO JUSTIFY HER BEHAVIOR.. IS NONSENSE!!!!!! IN THE VIEW OF ANY CHRISTIAN BELIEF SYSTEM.... OR VALUES!!!! I HAVE NEVER READ IN THE BIBLE WHERE IT SAID... FOR CUTTING HAIR, DISCIPLINE YOUR CHILD... OR YOU HUSBANDS... IF YOUR WIFES DONT OBEY YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE THE MAN IN THE HOUSE .. THEN BEAT YOUR WIFES... AND IN REALITY.. GOD FORBIDS PHYSICAL PUNISHMENT TOWARD WIFES,,, DISCIPLINE IS GOOD IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING..... BUT BY SHOWING VIOLENCE IN THE HOME IS NOT DISCIPLINE... THESE KIDS ARE EMOTIONALY DESTROYED... AND PSCHOLOGICALLY ARE NOT THERE..... BECAUSE OF THE ABUSE THAT HAS WENT ON..... IM RUSSIAN MYSELF.. AND AS A SOCIAL WORKER WITH MANY YEARS OF EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE, I KNOW ONE THING...... PROVEN IN MY OWN LIFE AND BY STATISTICS IN THIS COUNTRY BY SCHOLORS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD... THAT MAJORITY OF TIMES PHYSICAL DISCIPLINE HAS A LOWER EFFECT ON KIDS THEN BY DISCIPLING YOUR CHILDREN WITH LOVE, COMPASION, TALKING TO THE CHILDREN EDUCATING THEM AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER... .THAT IS WHAT THE BIBLE AS WELL IS REFERING TO..... SO FOR ALL OF YOU THAT ARE SITTING HERE BLAMING THE KIDS.. FOR CALLING THE POLICE.... READ THE BIBLE MORE OFTEN.... THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA... WAS ESTABLISHED ON THE PRINICPLES OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS THAT WERE GIVEN TO MOSES BY GOD...... AND THE BIBLE TELLS US TO OBEY THE LAWS OF THE SOCIETY BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A CHAIOS IF NOBODY FOLLOWED THE LAWS...... NONE OF US AGREE WITH ALL OF THE LAWS BUT THATS OUR PERSONAL CHOICE AND WHAT WE DECIDE TO DO WITH THAT.... BUT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND AS WELL THE CONSEQUECES OF NOT OBEYING THEM.... IT SEEMS LIKE MANY OF THE IMMIGRANTS ARE NOT AWARE AND EDUCATED REGARDING THE LAWS OF AMERICA AND THE JUSTICE SYSTEM. MOST OF THE RUSSIAN/UKRAINIAN PEOPLE IMMIGRATED TO AMERICA BASED ON THE RELIGIOUS PERSECUTIONS.... THAT IS TRUE... BUT THE FACT STILL REMAINS THAT MANY OF THESE CHILDREN ARE BEING RAISED IN in an extremely controlled and sheltered environment, raised with obnoxious religious outlooks, and told to act like everything is perfect in public no matter how much PAIN they are put through. MAYBE PARENTS DO NEED TO REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SET OF BELIEFS AND THE CHILDREN THAT ARE GROWING UP IN AMERICA ARE CLASHING WITH THE 2 CULTURES AND THEY ARE STARTING TO HAVE DIFFERENT OUTLOOKS ON EVERYTHING... AND WHO IS IT TO SAY THAT PARENTS ARE 100% CORRECT ALL THE TIME JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE PARENTS...... ???? I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN MANY OF THE SO CALLED CHRISTIANS ACT ONE WAY IN CHURCH AND THEN AT HOME THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PEOPLE DOING THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT IS BEING TAUGHT IN THEIR OWN CHURCH... AND IM NOT LABELING EVERYBODY... THERE ARE ALWASY THE FOX'S THAT HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THOSE CHURCHS AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE... IM JUST TRYING TO SAY.. THAT PEOPLE WAKE UP AND REALIZE THAT IGNORANCE CAUSES MANY FAITHFUL PEOPLE TO TURN AWAY FROM FAMILYS, HOMES, ETC......THERE ARE MANY THAT WEAR THOSE FAKE MASKS... AND MAJORITY OF THE WOMEN WEAR THOSE "KASINKI" ON THEIR HEADS..... AND THINK THAT THOSE WILL DELIVER THEM TO HEAVEN......THIS MOTHER TESTIFIED IN THE COURT ROOM IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY.. THAT SHE WAS WHIPPING THEM BECAUSE THEY DID NOT LISTEN ... SO IF THEY CONTINUED NOT TO LISTEN AND YOU SEE THAT THAT KIND OF DISCIPLINE THAT BASED ON HER THEORY GOD COMMANDED.... WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO DO THAT... IF ITS NOT HELPING... WHY DONT YOU TURN TO OTHER FORMS OF DISCIPLINE... BUT THE PROBLEM IN THE RUSSIAN COMMUNITY IS LACK OF COMMUNICATION WITH THEIR CHILDREN...... THERE IS NOT ENOUGH TIME THAT PARENTS SPENT WITH THEIR CHILDREN EDUCATION AND TALKING ABOUT STUFF... FOR EXAMPLE... THE SEX EDUCATION AMONG THE RUSSIAN COMMUNITY.. THESE ARE THE SAME CHURCHES AS THIS ONE INVOLVED THAT IF YOU MENTION THE WORD SEX.... YOU WILL NOT BE TOLERATED IN CHURCH NOR AT HOME... AND HOW ARE THE TEENAGES SUPPOSED TO LEARN AND WHEN THEY GET PREGNANT THEN ITS TOO LATE.. AND THEY ARE LOOKED DOWN AT.. BY FAMILY, CHURCH THE WHOLE COMMUNITY... THESE ARE THE TOPICS THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED WITH PARENTS AND THEIR CHILDREN AT HOME.. AND EVEN IN CHURCHS...... TO MAKE SURE THE CHILDREN UNDERSTAND.... AS WELL ABOUT VIOLENCE, DRUGS AND ETC.. BUT WHO TALKS ABOUT IT... THESE KIND OF DISCUSSIONS ARE NOT EVEN ALLOWED IN THE HOME NOR CHURCHS....ITS SAD TO SEE SO MANY BLIND CHRISTIANS THAT ARE USING THE "BIBLE" TO JUSTIFY THEIR ACTIONS... SO TO YOU PARENTS..... you are NOT straightening out your kids or making them better by hitting them. you are merely making them more violent and angry, and NOT TO be surprised when they turn on you. Treat your children with love and care, not keep them in constant fear of a beatdown.

alina January 29, 2012 11:11 pm (Pacific time)

i honestly think that there are both the kids and the parents falt but its weired that the kids dont want to live with the parents. my parents did spank me A LOT caz i did own it. but i never thought about caling the cops caz i loved my parents and i knew i had to be spanked but in there situation i think the parents did somthing that the kids well never forget and wount live with them caz of something

Alex January 26, 2012 5:57 pm (Pacific time)

Kids made mistake but parent make biger mistake because they was not hard enough an them if they wood that will never happen i said that because i im from big family and my parents was were strict and bad thinks we us a kids did and they give us a lots of REMNJA etc and we are grow up now and all off us kid it were smart and loving peole because of are parents,thanks to GOD and are lovely parents. God bless All perants who do a job off parents.Kozlov family GOD LOVES YOU.

vik December 9, 2011 6:25 pm (Pacific time)

I guessing this couple was never informed by other russians when moved to US on how far to go when disciplining their kids to not get thrown in jail. This is not ukraine for you people!!!

rita December 2, 2011 11:21 am (Pacific time)

We all grew up in discipline, but what really shock me, is that none of Kozlov family want to be with parents. Something must have been missing. Because no matter how much I was spanked, I would never want to live my life without my family. I love my Mom and Dad. And thank yu for spanking me and leading me the right path.

Father28 August 22, 2011 10:54 pm (Pacific time)

Many people here say they know those parents, that they are good. But their children said that parents were "holly" in church and around friends, and "brutal" at home. Children would never say anything bad about good loving parents. So I believe they did ABUSE their children. They broke the line. It wasnt even by Bile as parents say. Bible says punish kids with love. But beating up kids is ABUSE. Hope kids are now in good family.

Val August 3, 2011 3:32 pm (Pacific time)

Those are very good parents...

MN September 22, 2010 12:16 am (Pacific time)

Glory to God that Alex and Ludmila are keeping strong in ther Faith,and Beliv in God.

ghbdtn April 8, 2010 9:31 pm (Pacific time)

Read this article. http://kp.ru/daily/24470.4/629653/

:D April 2, 2010 6:43 pm (Pacific time)

Exactly, Stop arguing just pray for the family!!! Arguing is not going to help anything!

***** March 29, 2010 4:43 pm (Pacific time)

I don't think spanking kids is a child abuse... Come on people parents should decipline their kids and if not they are all going to grow up like drugies and etc.. I grew up in a big faminly and i am happy that i got spanked by my parents.. if i wasn't then who know where i would be now....

:) March 26, 2010 12:25 pm (Pacific time)

stop arguing just pray for the family

MOTHER OF 2 January 17, 2010 9:52 pm (Pacific time)

THIS SHOULDNT BE ABOUT WERE U COME FROM THIS IS BULL CRAP!!THERES KIDS BEUNG BEAT IN THE LOCAL STORE AND NOTHING IS BEING SAID CAUSE THEY ARE BLACK OR TRAILER TRASH AND ALL OF SUDDEN A RUSSIAN CHRISTIAN FAMILY COMES ALONG AND EVERYBODY MAKES THEM SEEM LIKE ALEINS AND NO THE BIBLE DOESNT SAY BEAT UR KIDS BUT IT DOES SAY THAT THE CHILD SHOULD OBEY THE MOTHER AND FAHTER ??TELL ME DID THESE KIDS EVER TRY TALKING TO THER PARENTS BEFORE THEY CALLED THE COPS ??THEY WILL KNOW THEY DID WRONG WHEN ITS TO LATE WHEN ONE IS IN JAIL AND THE OTHER RAPED OR WORSE THESE KIDS NEED THERE PARENTS AND THIS JUDGE CLEARLY HAS A STICK UP HIS ASS..AND THE RUSSIAN PEEOPLE..IAM RUSSIAN AND PROUD OF IT ..

23 year old mother January 17, 2010 9:40 pm (Pacific time)

iam ukrainian and i was born there in ukraine and so was mu husband we beleve in dicapline but not to the point were u hurt ur child ..if theres no rules in ur kids life then what kind of people will they become??letting ur kids stand for 6 hours to pray like these parents were told they did was sappose to be the kids choice ..if u force the kids to do it they will never do it out of there will i was forced to go to church as a teen and didnt want to at all now 23 i know that it made all the differnce in my life i became christian all by my will all i can say as a parent all u can do for ur kids is give them the best advice u can and not to do it screaming like a insane person or hitting or making the kids do chores not watching tv or plaing video games wont make ur kids be better it will just keep them from it untill the break out and go wild ..all iam saying is there a limit to how u can dicapline ur child and whipping them with rods sticks kords and so on is cruel..and i was whiipped by hand iam all for spanking a child when he did something wrong but it should go so far theres a limit..to were it should stop ..if the kids called the cops bythemself there was clearly something wrong either the kids were truly being tortured wich i doubt or they just want to be free from there parents pushing them to be good ..ok to rap things up kids these days are spoiled mine drive me nuts sometimes but i havent ever phiscally hurt them..i think there is clearly a visable hate between the judge and the uk couple and the lack of them not knowing english only adds to the plus factor for the judge to make them dum....and he seems like he wont even let the poor couple talk ..they need a good judge and every parent need a seconed chance of they done wrong ..if some of the kids dont want to go back to the parents then they should be placed with foster parents and see if thats better it never is ..i dont know this couple but i know that they do deserve a seconed chance 7 years in jail is just plain dumm..if they got isshues they have to fix they should get classes for it but not have to be put in jail for 7 years and as to the OHHH RUSSIANS ARE CRUEL NOT WE ARE NOT YES THERE ARE SOME NUT CASES IN THE BUNCH BUT HEY HAIF THE AMERICA IS FILLED WITH THEM AND THEY ARE BORN HERE!!!THESE PEOPLE DESERVE A 2ND TRIAL AND I WILL PRAY FOR THEM NO PARENT DESERVES THIS UNLESS THE ARE REALLY HURTING THERE KIDS..THEY NEED A GOOOD AGENT TO PRESENT THEM ..CLEARLY THEY ARE BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF...AMERICAN OR NUT NOONE DESERVES THIS !!GOD BLESS AND CHRISTIAN PEOPLE ARE NOT NUT CASES I SPEEK FOR MY SELF AND FOR THE PEOPLE I KNOW ..PEOPLE DONT ABUSE UR KIDS LOVE THEM AND KNOW HOW TO HAVE UR KIDS RESPECT U WITHOUT HAVING TO FEAR U I KNOW ITS HARD AND NO I DONT MEAN WHISPERING AT THEM U JSUT NEED TO KNOW HOW TO TALK TO THEM AFTER ALL THEY ARE UR KIDS WHO KNOWS THEM BETTER THEN YOU!!THIS FAMILY NEEEDS A SECONED CHANCE AND A DIFFERENT JUDGE..HES A MEAN JERK WITH A DEGREE..I WISH ALL THE BEST FOR THIS FAMILY AND IF THEY DID DO WRONG FOR THEM TO LEARN FORM THOSE MISTAKE AND IMPROVE AS PARENTS..THATS ALL PEOPLE!!

tori//luella January 17, 2010 4:01 pm (Pacific time)

me and my friend r both kids and when we look at videos and stuff like this it makes us cry and voment also we get too the point we just want to really just hit the parents and stop child abuse.

Mark January 5, 2010 3:49 pm (Pacific time)

Looking all these reviews, came even to stronger determination to raise my kids putting every effort to make them great people without ever resorting to punishments. So I hope they one day grow to witness what a great dad I was to them and prove: Do not judge all people by one family.

Anonymous January 1, 2010 8:15 pm (Pacific time)

I am done with this, almost everybody comes to abuse verbally in this or that form here. Good bye hope you will learn to live in peace, Love God, and appreciate everyone. Blessings. I am out I have nicer things to do, my kids are asking for a walk, and hanging on me as a bunch of bananas from all sides!

Anonymous January 1, 2010 8:03 pm (Pacific time)

Dear Tarja, what do you know about these older kids? You are being asked, what do you know? Matter of fact: You know zero about their personalities and preferences. Not your fault though. I would want to see you living under one roof with them to see how you will fare with them. You will change your mind very fast, but I will keep asking where is your old opinion, keep sticking to it. You will for sure be saying, they are impossible! But that's what the parents were telling to the whole world. Matter of fact: Don't want to offend the Kozlov's they are finally dealing with their own problems, but their whole relation, not only this family, have quite a fame for being incredibly stubborn and self-willed. They are good people in some ways and making many Russians of their very own community quite surprised at times, with their personalities. Kids and parents alike quite unable to compromise! That's what was surprising. It's like the new world was opened: Kozlov's beat their kids! Like most people haven't been any beaten! There are problems beyond that, and that caused all this eventual tragedy. They all need to learn to live, and not make the whole community go earthquake like with this whole stuff.

tania December 26, 2009 3:18 pm (Pacific time)

if we are true christians we shouldn't be arguing first of all.it doesn't get any one any where.just pray for the parents.and lets not be racist tords each other

meme December 24, 2009 11:53 am (Pacific time)

i woulnt like call the police the 4 months old kid will not like know whos parents they had but thoses kds are out of mind they will be sorry watch them cry i want my mom back also they wont have that much fun but the judge is mean what if it happened to him how would it fell like for him but anyway i hope they get out of jail soon but anyway who never heared of kids NOT get hit by parents when they do something bad everbody of corse needs to learn a leason but in the bible it says HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER and i bet the big kids didnt do that so what chocie do the parents have they have to take care of them feed them buy them food help the also learn what is good for them.

Tarja Eva Karhu December 22, 2009 7:06 pm (Pacific time)

To it's just me, I don't agree with you at all. While I am strongly against child abuse, are you for it? You really should be locked for a very long time up if so. It really makes me sick to even think that people like you are strongly against these children. People like you blindly support those so-called parents only because you are brainwashed into doing so. Plus, I am sick of hearing your pathetic excuses for those "parents"...and I'm especially sick of hearing those religion-related ones. If you still want to live in USA, you must learn what's legal and illegal here instead of insisting that religion gives you the right to beat your kids.

Editor December 21, 2009 10:48 am (Pacific time)

All story comments should be directed to this current story: The Debate Over Child Abuse in Oregon's Ukrainian Community - Tim King Salem-News.com

Nobody December 19, 2009 6:50 pm (Pacific time)

where can i see the court tapes?

Editor: Statesman Journal, the comments on this story are closed, please refer to our latest story on this topic

Oleg Ilyushenko December 17, 2009 10:13 pm (Pacific time)

Do not judge all Russians by one family

Editor December 17, 2009 9:51 pm (Pacific time)

Oleg and others, there are too many comments on the older stories, and there is a new story tonight. I am transferring this comment from Oleg there and all others in the future. Please just move your comments to the new story, you will find it here: The Debate Over Child Abuse in Oregon's Ukrainian CommunityTim King Salem-News.com

David December 17, 2009 5:46 pm (Pacific time)

Editor: I am not an enemy. When I say the laws of the U.S. it means the laws of every other country too. Yes there are Ukrainians that drink and smoke and have sex, but I doubt there is real Christians-Ukrainians that do that though. I am not comparing Ukrainians to Americans.

David December 17, 2009 4:00 pm (Pacific time)

The editor wrote this:Editor: Beating a child with a stick or rod is child abuse. You can not change that. Even if you believe that is the right thing to do, U.S. law says it is not. Nobody has a right to move to another country and not assimilate at least to a degree that they are compliant with the law. Americans are treated the exact same way. Can we please just let this go and allow the system to do its job? Well like I said earlier the U.S. laws are from the devil and mean nothing at all to Christians. If we have to break U.S. laws to follow GODS laws then of course we will do it. The U.S. is nothing compared to GOD and try to make laws opposite of GODS laws. This is why American teens live lives of having sex, drinking, smoking, sniffing etc.

Editor: David, are you my enemy living on U.S. soil? You make me sick and you sicken all good and normal people. You don't know ANYTHING about God or religion or anything else if you endorse CHILD ABUSE you loser. I mean it, total and complete loser. You are not very damned smart are you? So screwed up with false religious values that you fail to make any sense at all. Oh yes, the Ukrainians don't ever have sex or drink or smoke, right? WRONG, can't you get any of this? You do need that one way ticket and I'd like to raise the money through a Salem-News.com story to send you back, what do you say? You give me your name and address and I will write a story about how people like you live here but REFUSE to have respect for the law or anything else, you think religion means you are supposed to abuse children, you have no place here. What do you say? Let's get you back to a place where you are more comfortable, and then we will all feel better about it. Thank goodness all of the normal good Ukrainian people also write in and they agree with me, not you.

some1 December 17, 2009 3:05 pm (Pacific time)

those kids are so lieing they just want attention! if you don't discipline your kids then they gonna grow up drunkies and so on...the parents where just trying to dicipline their kids and teach them what the bible says and spanking a kid when it deserves to be spanked is not bad! in a couple years the kids will realize what they did and they will regret for it! I think that god is on the parents side because the parents are innocent!!! who would do such a crapy thing like call the cops on your own parents????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok...they will give away the kids to different ppl and will the get the right dicipline and be taught by the bible the way they would from their parents??? NO!!!! they won't because those stupid kids are friken idiots because they don't care about their parents and got will have a very good talk with them in the end! god bless those poor parents i will pray for them!

Natalie December 17, 2009 1:56 pm (Pacific time)

Yevgeniy: I wouldn't be so fast in separating myself from the ethnicity. No matter how hard you try, from time to time you'll come across people, that fingerpoint at you just for looking differently, and having a funny accent. That happens to me. So what? I feel PROUD, because I do something good for the community, and there are people, that appreciate my effort.

Yevgeniy December 17, 2009 4:26 am (Pacific time)

I am ashamed of all you Russian/Ukrainian advocates of these sorry parents (a.k.a. Convicted child abusers), and I am ashamed being related to you ethnically and religiously. I am actually happy that I don't live in Salem and don't need to carry along with you this awful stigma that you brought upon yourself by this appalling advocacy of child abuse. You not only yourselves sound as complete morons, you guys give a very bad name to all the immigrants from the former Soviet Union. I grew up in Ukraine in a Christian home and was well disciplined, but it never occurred to my parents (nor to any Ukrainian Christian parent I knew in my city) to do with my body what these people did to their kids. Tell me you “Christians” where the Bible teaches you that hitting the child with a cord so that he has bruises for weeks is a right way to DISCIPLINE him??? You sound like you just left the caves, and not arrived from a lawful and civilized country that gave the world people like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky. I could tolerate your disbelief and indignation before all the facts of the case became public during the trial. But now, when it was demonstrated to everyone how insane the parents were, what abuse they perpetrated, how stupidly they behaved during the trial, how dare you defend their actions and blame the judge!? To Irina from the previous post: your comments about the trial are either appalling or patently stupid. I too watched the videos from trial. The mother behaved awfully. They refused the attorneys and then she proceeded to break every rule of the court with her stupid tirades and guilt trips toward the kids when they were on the witness stand, and you want the judge give her an easy time? He was actually too easy on her! We have the rule of the law in this country, for God's sake! How dare you say that those poor children are poor because they are taken away from those mentally disturbed abusers who wore a mask of “good Christians” in the church!? Were you hit with the wire regularly? Do you yourself hit your kids with the wire? I hope if you do, your kids call police and you go to the same prison. If you don't have kids yet, I hope you learn first how to raise them the way they will not want to run away from you. Overall, I pray that the entire Slavic “Christian” immigrant community in Salem (and not only there) do some soul-searching, read again their Bibles, think about the laws of the land and change their ways to the better.

Irina December 16, 2009 10:57 pm (Pacific time)

This is the most absurd thing ever! These parents DISCIPLINED their children. And thats a good thing. I can honestly say that I am thankful to my parents who disciplined me when i did wrong because otherwise I would have been a horrible child who is spoiled and disrespectful. The older kids who reported their own parents will regret this VERY MUCH after they realize what they have done.. I watched the trial and how the judge is veryy disrespectful and wrong. it made me cry when the mother was telling her child that she loved him after not seeing him for so long and the judge accused her of not following the rules!!! then she was dragged out of the room! the jugde who was carrying out this trial has NOO HEART! i wouldve smacked him..hes disrespectful and does not understand how much this mother loves her children.And another thing that disgusted me is how they took her 6 day old baby in the middle of the night who was hungry and didnt even let the mom feed her.If our country doesnt even give parents a right to discipline their children, how messed up our countries rules are!! Its so horrible and heartbreaking..Those poor children will not be treated better taken away..its so sad..im going to pray for this family. i pray to God that he will take this matter into his own hands and open the eyes to many people.

ilovegod December 16, 2009 10:20 pm (Pacific time)

i feel sorry for the family! the kids should have not done that.... in ukrainian... i know our parents can get strikt at times but they will love you no matter what!

ME December 16, 2009 6:19 pm (Pacific time)

I dont know why people talk about how they are mis treated and then quoting the Bible. It says in the Bible we are to OBEY the laws of the land. that doesnt mean obeying the laws of your countries landx when you live in the US. It means obey the law you live under. If the law says that when you strike your child and you leave marks on them they way they were left on these children we are talking about then well its ABUSE.

Natalie December 16, 2009 12:41 am (Pacific time)

I meant no offence by my advice. I pay attention to details, and noticed, that Editor expressed interest in learning differences between cultures. I have no clue, why my suggestion was taken as an insult. (I make such assumption, because Editor's comment was under the post, that only repeated mine.) As for the age, there's nothings misterious about that either. Mature adults are looking for a productive dialogue leading to the solution of the problem, youngsters just want to express their anger. Besides, some of them mentioned their age, or that they were born here, or that there are few of them of the same age under one roof. As for learning U.S. culture, and learning how to raise kids, I think, I did pretty well. Studied not only American culture, but have some knowledge about Asians and Latinos too. My kids are doing great at school, involved in extra activities, and I don't have to spank them. So, if you still take my post as offence, let me know. I'll go watch Planet Earth, or whatever is still discent on TV instead. Open for a discussion. Arguing does no good.

leo December 15, 2009 7:29 pm (Pacific time)

You all Russians and Ukranians... Please less talk more Prayers. God is our judge

Olya December 15, 2009 5:43 pm (Pacific time)

Natalie: I agree with you 100% on all that you said. Editor: you seems to enjoy arguing with teens on here too much.

Editor: It always gets stranger, arguing with teens? You think I know who you people are off first names? Just go learn about how to raise children, study U.S. culture, find out how to raise children without violence, and remember that you are a guest here, being allowed to place comments.

Anonymous December 15, 2009 1:51 pm (Pacific time)

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/04/gresham_foster_kids_abused_des.html

vadim December 15, 2009 1:37 pm (Pacific time)

the judje is going to hell for that!!

ED December 15, 2009 11:14 am (Pacific time)

I got reassured in NOT believing in freedom of speech after I saw how the state is covering up their persecution of Kozlovs using a bias media! You can even see that from the fact that the Editor will block me!
OREGON LOCAL NEWS
"Real-Time updates and breaking news from Portland and Oregon
East Multnomah County, Editors' Picks, Family, Politics, Top Stories »
Gresham foster kids abused despite DHS checks
By Aimee Green, The Oregonian
April 04, 2009, 3:20PM
The Oregon Department of Human Services has agreed to pay...The neglect came to light after a Thanksgiving dinner in 2005 at the Thompsons' house. Three guests -- including at least two relatives -- were concerned enough to report the Thompsons to authorities.
Police investigated, but the Multnomah County district attorney's office decided not to prosecute. Prosecutors said child-privacy laws prevent them from explaining why. But Wentz said in light of what happened to the Collins twins and other cases of children who were abused and neglected under the state's watch, her department has created new policies and clarified existing ones. For example, caseworkers are required to visit homes every two months and see children face to face at least once a month. Workers in charge of monitoring living conditions are required to walk through "each and every" room in a foster home twice a year..."
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/04/gresham_foster_kids_abused_des.html
God have mercy on DHS otherwise their turn will come, and it looks like it is only a beginning...of the end! This is one of millions DHS cases that get covered up by the THE BIAS MEDIA, I got reassured in NOT believing in freedom of speech after I saw how the state is covering up their persecution of Kozlovs using a bias media! You can even see that from the fact that the Editor will block me! It looks like there is freedom of speech only a small News company is not allowed in to the court room!

Lilya December 14, 2009 11:21 pm (Pacific time)

Did the judge ask kids if they want continue to live with their parents? I am mom and don,t I can not pictire in ny mind to be separated with my child. It's can hurt so bad.The laws in former Soviet Union are different from US for child rearing and punishment maybe they need some classes to learn about US laws to keep immegrents from getting into trouble.

ED December 15, 2009 11:15 am (Pacific time)

I got reassured in NOT believing in freedom of speech after I saw how the state is covering up their persecution of Kozlovs using a bias media! You can even see that from the fact that the Editor will block me! OREGON LOCAL NEWS "Real-Time updates and breaking news from Portland and Oregon East Multnomah County, Editors' Picks, Family, Politics, Top Stories » Gresham foster kids abused despite DHS checks By Aimee Green, The Oregonian April 04, 2009, 3:20PM The Oregon Department of Human Services has agreed to pay...The neglect came to light after a Thanksgiving dinner in 2005 at the Thompsons' house. Three guests -- including at least two relatives -- were concerned enough to report the Thompsons to authorities. Police investigated, but the Multnomah County district attorney's office decided not to prosecute. Prosecutors said child-privacy laws prevent them from explaining why. But Wentz said in light of what happened to the Collins twins and other cases of children who were abused and neglected under the state's watch, her department has created new policies and clarified existing ones. For example, caseworkers are required to visit homes every two months and see children face to face at least once a month. Workers in charge of monitoring living conditions are required to walk through "each and every" room in a foster home twice a year..." http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/04/gresham_foster_kids_abused_des.html God have mercy on DHS otherwise their turn will come, and it looks like it is only a beginning...of the end! This is one of millions DHS cases that get covered up by the THE BIAS MEDIA, I got reassured in NOT believing in freedom of speech after I saw how the state is covering up their persecution of Kozlovs using a bias media! You can even see that from the fact that the Editor will block me! It looks like there is freedom of speech only a small News company is not allowed in to the court room!

ED December 14, 2009 11:43 pm (Pacific time)

The fact that editor does not post some of my comments that have Bible in them means there is a religious persecution! I know why Editor and judge are persecuting this family and still thinking that they are right because they are not born again, if one is not born again he/she can not understand the born again person. It is just like a person does not understand what Russian are saying unless the speak Russian! Do not be surprised if we get persecuted the unborn world will not understand us and it is true: 1. 1 Corinthians 6 Lawsuits Among Believers "1If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints? 2Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! 4Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, appoint as judges even men of little account in the church![a] 5I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers? 6But instead, one brother goes to law against another—and this in front of unbelievers! 7The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? 8Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers." 1st Corinthians Chapter 6 NKJV 2. 1"All this I have told you so that you will not go astray. 2They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God. 3They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. 4I have told you this, so that when the time comes you will remember that I warned you. I did not tell you this at first because I was with you." John Chapter 16

Natalie December 14, 2009 9:02 pm (Pacific time)

Editor, if you sincerely want to know more about the culture, you can start by contacting people of your profession in Salem (should be some slavic-speaking newspapers), and your age,and ask for the insight. What you do here, is mostly arguing with teens over angry posts. Can't imagine what you would do, if you were living with them under one roof. Paradox.. How do I know, most of them are teens themselves? Here is a little clue: names, style of writing, words, being used, and anger over the topic, that they are really passionate about. P.S. I vote for a boot camp for teens, if it's too much for the parents. I hear, they fear those camps more than any other punishment. At least, everything is legal, and parents not in jail.

Nadia December 14, 2009 4:34 pm (Pacific time)

I came from a christian family with 7 children. My parents did not spank us at all. My father was showing with his daily life that he was a believer. All children are christian, 3 brothers are pastors. Why do you people base your faith on the old tastement, if the new testament are all about love and forgiveness. You do not do "eye for eye and touth for touth", you do not stone people to death for adultery... Yes Solomon was wise, but he had 300 wives! He did not have time to sit down with all his sons to talk...

Evia in Sacramento December 14, 2009 4:45 pm (Pacific time)

After reading all comments I am just shocked by ignorence, mindset and excuse of an obvious abuse that was so apparent in Kozlov family. There was an ivestigation done, evidence found and examined. I am shocked by apparent disrespect from this community of local laws and court proceedings. There can be no occasion where physical or emotional abuse can be excused - no matter if towards kids or adults. Those children apparently were so tired of being mistreated that they had to take action. This family apparently was so dysfunctional for a long time - no signs of proper relationship, communication, love or mutual respect. According to God's Word we as parents are required to bring up our kids in love, patience, respect and of course, discipline. Not hitting kids in anger or using physical discipline in this way. I am sad that tis community is representing God in this way. God is not an abuser and Bible in no way talks about physical abuse. I pray for those kids and may God bring proper people their way who can guide them, teach them and lead them in a way that will enable them to grow up and be a productive members of the society. Children absolutely did the right thing to seek help and they should not be intimidated for what they did. Perhaps this case will make some people in this community think harder on how to deal with complicated issues, relationships and will be able to offer help for other families with similar parenting problems. Children are a blessing, they are valuable and they deserve proper treatment - no matter how difficult seasons they are in. With lots of love and proper parenting nothing is impossible. Violence and physical abuse is not the answer.

WWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW December 14, 2009 3:58 pm (Pacific time)

i come from a ukrainian family .i have a brother and one sister and me. ever since i could remember if i did something my dad would punish me for doing things he asked me not to do and ive had thoughts about calling the police and getting him in trouble. but i didnt and now that im 18 i thank my dad for punishing me because if he hadnt done what he did i would have been either in jail or a drug addict lost in this so called free land. what i dont understand is what right does some ASS of a judge have to treat a mother of 7 children the way he did ...when i watched the trail i got so angry and upset i cried . when the judge was being rude to the mother and had her taken out of court rudely by some shit of a police officer i was ready to go over there and help them myself. im shocked by how the law treats us russian/ukrainian people. discriminating us everyday . giving up traffic violation tickets for something we didnt do . cursing and us and calling us names. HOW CAN YOU CALL THIS A FREE LAND. all i have to say is you americans havent been punished or been raised right. you wouldnt last a week in ukraine or russia. STOP DISCRIMINATING STOP PUTTING INNOCENT PEOPLE IN JAIL.

CHRISTIANLOVE December 14, 2009 3:41 pm (Pacific time)

when i first heard about this family and watched the trail and everything i wasnt just shocked i was offended by how the judge treated the christian ukrainian family. im ukrainian i came here in 1999 when i was 8 and seeing how the judge was rude. and his saying just because it says that in the bible doesnt mean u need to do that offened me as a christian. so its like me saying just cuz the law says you cant sell or do drugs doesnt mean the law is right ???? first off when i was raised as a child my father hitted me and punished me because i was misbehaving and now that im grown and have my own family i thank my dad every day that he did hit me and punished me because if he didnt then i would be just like almost every other america child. that has sex in 4th grade says bad words and has no respect not just for other people but for ther own parents and they have the right to raise there children the way god told them to raise them. what kinda free country is this is we christians cant raise our children according to the bible?? what kinda country puts parents in jail for something they didnt even do. when there is people in this country that do kill and rape kids and they get away with that. my sister inlaw got kidnapped and murdered and the killer got treated better then those parents are getting treated by that rude judge. just because they dont speak english and dont understand english doesnt mean he has the right to treat them like animals. but i believe in CARMA what goes around comes around. i know god will help them get throught this and i pray they will be strong . and those teens when they grow up and get older and hopefully wiser will come crawling to there parents asking them for forgiveness because they dont know what they have untill they loose it. GOD BLESS YOU KOZLOV PARENTS IM PRAYING FOR YOU AND YOUR STRIAGHT AND WISEDOM TO STICK TO GOD THROUGH THICK AND THIN

William December 13, 2009 7:08 pm (Pacific time)

Dear Editor, when I was a teenager, I was punished more then Kozlov's oldest son, because I went my bad ways. Now, many years later I do really thank my dad for punishing me then, because I deserved even more, only dad did not know everything I did. So I beleive Kozlov parents are not criminals. Maybe working hard for their family, they missed something. Then they need help, but definately not to go to jail for 7 years. I will tell one thing what I did, when I was about 14, like Kozlov's oldest son is now, and what stopped me. With my friends, we used to go to local vegetable market to steal watermelons and other things. But once my mother took me to that market, to help her to carry shopping bags. So, as we stood in the line waiting to be served, someone in the line said to the to seller: "Watch this boy (me), he is going to steal something." The seller, a really big man answered: "He will not run far away", and he had sown a 5 pounds scales weight. When I listend to all this an saw that weight, I imagined what would happen to me, when the seller would hit me with that heavy thing. I would be dead on the spot. But this really helped me to stop stealing. I know that 150 years ago, shoplifters and thieves were sent from UK to Australia to work very hard in labour camps, or other very harsh things were applied to them including death sentence. I know that Kozlov's oldest son was caught while shoplifting and he stole money at home. What happened to him? Nothing. But the parents, who punished him are now in jail and oh! for... 7 years! Something wrong is happening in this country. That's why America has over 2 millions of people in prisons. You know, Kozlov parents punished they children for disobedience, to make them obedient and good citizens, and now they themselves are punished 7 years harsh for that. Is this justice? It does not look like.

ROMANOVIC December 13, 2009 4:56 am (Pacific time)

The relation to Children should be cautious, and to remove it it it is necessary, but it is not necessary to break children this crime.

Tatyana December 12, 2009 10:55 pm (Pacific time)

Dear Editor, I am Ukrainian-American who moved to US 8 years ago. I am sorry to see this story in the news, sorry for the family that is broken, sorry for the parents and children, who instead of creating a loving relationship like a family should have, will be separated for a long time. Many comments posted here by people from Russian-Ukrainian community are unreasonable and I am even ashamed to read some of them. People simply assume that the word “abuse” means “spanking” and start defending it. From their comments readers may conclude that all Russian/Ukrainian immigrants abuse their kids and approve of it. I grew up in a loving family with 3 siblings and, yes, we have been disciplined with spanking, but we have never been abused by our parents and I thank God for that. I hope the judicial system did a thorough job of studying this case before giving a verdict. May God heal the hearts of children and parents and may they get a chance to create a loving family, place where children would run to, not from.

greg December 13, 2009 2:40 am (Pacific time)

Since we came here,we should fallow the rules that are given,and don't think that we can do whatever we want to because we were raised that way,so people use your brains and be smart the way you raise your kids,and not do anything that would lead to this!But try to work it out somehow,but if you cant,you probably don't deserve your kids! Be christian not only in church but everywhere you are!!!

OneDay December 13, 2009 12:40 am (Pacific time)

I think they should start investigating the rest of the parents and their so-called "love" for their children in the same church!!! What they did is absolutely immoral. I see others justifying the parents' discipline by saying it is in the culture, religion, ets. This is insane!!! Harming your own child and making them fear you can never be justified. I am Russian in my 20s and my mother have raised me in similar way... up to a certain point when we children rebelled. This is a part of my childhood that will forever haunt me. I love my mother but there are certain things I feel were damaged in my psyche and development. Only now my mother is beginning to realize that she might have been wrong and should show more understanding and love towards her children. This happened after she saw how her own children are turning away from her when they are reaching their adulthood.

Angie December 12, 2009 10:23 pm (Pacific time)

This is completely ridiculous. The Bible teaches that parents must discipline their children with love and patience, not anger and vengeance. I highly doubt the kids were making things up. It's true that most Slavanian families were brought up with cruel discipline. But just because it was done for so long doesn't mean it is right. Childen shouldn't hate their parents for disciplining them. The parents aren't wrong for spanking their kids- that's discipline. They're wrong for abusing them.

Anonymous December 12, 2009 9:58 pm (Pacific time)

This is CRAZY, You russian/ukrainian people need to unite and fight this battle,to get these poor parents out of jail, and one wonder why our prison system is over filled with teens that commited violent crimes. WAKE UP PEOPLE BEFORE THEY TAKE ALL OF OUR RIGHTS.

Elena December 12, 2009 8:13 pm (Pacific time)

I'm a 28yr old native Ukrainian who migrated to US in 89'. Throughout my childhood I feared my parents more then I loved them due to the ways of them disciplining my brothers, sisters and myself. This is the way of their culture, they way they have been brought up. I'm really thankful for their actions, I can say without a doubt that I've made some of the best decisions in my life due to the fact that I feared rebelling against my parents because I feared being disciplined by them. But, culture and society changes with time and I believe spanking and abusing a child should have a fine line between the too, I'm for spanking. And, it is in my personal opinion that the children haven't a clue of what's going on, or the seriousness of the situation that they have put their parents in due to the fact that they fear if they are reunited with their parent they will be spanked. I believe that the children exaggerated about the situation to get their parents in trouble. Like I said looking back I can relate to the children, and as a child I've wished once or twice that my parents would get in trouble for what they have done. But, that's because I didn't like being spanked. I pray for the children to come to their senses and that the family is reunited and live in harmony. Because this will be a difficult thing for both the children and parents to overcome. This is a very sad story, I wish the parents would've taken the kids to some counseling at their church if they believed that their children were rebelling against them.

ED December 12, 2009 6:29 pm (Pacific time)

On behalf of Kozolv's children grandfather: "Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart,... " New King James Version st Timothy 1:5. Been their grandfather: guilty for grandchildren and children. This is not Romanian governing system 1940. Children are destroying a family and they have used the law to do so. Because of what?: 1. Weren't prepared to meet a little sister Lily from the birthhouse. 2. Ugly, behaivior of the older children. Mother and father are been punished for their behavior, and are becoming victims are going to jail. Think and scan through carefully. Americans enjoy to give surprizes for Christmas, this is one of them!

Anonymous December 12, 2009 5:11 pm (Pacific time)

wow I am really saddened by these comments ...People!!!!! think before u write!i am sorry editor for you having to read these pathetic reasonings...geee

Christians December 12, 2009 2:15 pm (Pacific time)

God bless this family.... This family did the right thing. We will pray for your family.

SERGIO December 11, 2009 9:34 pm (Pacific time)

the Bible doesnt tell you to beat your kids but to discipline them "with love" ps i come from a Russian family i had a great childhood thanks to my loving parents!!

Valentina December 11, 2009 6:15 pm (Pacific time)

Editor, I am only pro-child when I say keep the children in the christian communities and families. Where do you think these kids will end up without their parents? A gay family? I'm sure they will feel loved there, especially the boys... I would rather be spanked (and I have been) than grow up with two dads. And, YES, I am bigot. I have been raised to stand for what's right. AND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IS NOT!!

talor December 11, 2009 5:30 pm (Pacific time)

I know that thoose parents wernt guilty.i think christian is right and editor how do you know that they were abused for years? they dont have any serious injuries and how do you know that god is unhappy whit the way that christian and i think maybe hes unhappy with the way you think. Also im pretty sure that your not christian yourself so you have no way of knowing how god looks at this situation.

christian December 11, 2009 5:19 pm (Pacific time)

I can't believe this is going on. I believe the parents this can hapen to anyone. I know that god will not leave this alone.In the bible it says children must respect their parents. I believe these kids exadurated and made half of the things up! I hope that God strengthens those parents and I also pray for them.

christian December 11, 2009 5:10 pm (Pacific time)

Editor: DO you know what facts are? Do you have any idea how much you insult all Americans when you suggest that the children's injuries were made up? This couple treated their kids like animals, they subjected them to years of cruelty and governed only through fear. If I were one of those kids I'd be very happy to never see them again. I think God is very unhappy with people who think the way you do.

hi December 11, 2009 4:56 pm (Pacific time)

LOL, America is STUPID!!! cant spank a child...haha LOL well if you would read the bible...c what it says about spanking!!! Russians/Ukrainians do the right thing!!! GO RUSSIANS!!! Well, if that is the law in stupid U.S im moving to Russia and i am going to raise my kids the Biblical way!!! and Editor, you know that the family is innocent.

Editor: Have a good journey. There are plenty of good Ukrainian people living in the U.S. today, nobody needs you here. Spanking is perfectly legal and fine in the United States, but flagrant sadistic abuse is the work of cowards and sick people and if you hurt children, the system will eventually find out, hopefully.

unknown December 11, 2009 4:48 pm (Pacific time)

i totally agree with you slavic, those kids will REGRET!!! they turned away from their parents! the judge is messed up because everything is a lie! they photoshopped all the scars and marks on the children's! bodies! Well, thats just another sign that Christ is coming....if you study the Bible, everything that is said in the book of revelations is unfolding in this world! And you kids...you called the cops so just expect a big talk with Christ in heaven! Now, lets pray to God for it says in 1st peter 5:7 to cast all our worries unto him for he cares about us! May God bless that family!

Editor: Do you realize how hopelessly ridiculous you sound? You must actually be against the parents, and don't they have enough problems? The only reason a person would write this crazy stuff is to get the parents in more trouble. You probably encouraged them to act the way they did also, you are no friend for theirs in the end.

ALL CHILDREN LISTEN: IF YOU ARE BEING ABUSED IN YOUR HOMES, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IT. DON'T LET RAMBLINGS FROM PEOPLE LIKE THIS IMPACT YOU. CHILDREN IN THE USA WHO ARE BEING ABUSED SHOULD CALL THE POLICE, INFORM THEIR TEACHERS, ETC.

bob December 11, 2009 11:50 am (Pacific time)

poshlu bu b jopy

Slavic December 11, 2009 11:46 am (Pacific time)

you kids will feel sorry when you grow up if ever!!!!!!!

Editor: These kids were beaten and abused for years, why do you want to guilt trip them?

its just me December 11, 2009 10:12 am (Pacific time)

The judge and that police that witnessed against the parents are prejudice against russians and christians. They did not even have real evidence. They said that the kids had bruises but they couldn't get pictures of the bruises because there was none. We will pray for the parents so God will ruin devils plans, because devil always wants to ruin the christian families. Everybody knows that the parents did not abuse the kids but just punished them for what they deserved. Plus i heard that the children want to go back to the parents, but all the people who are doing the devils work don't allow them. But God is powerful and anything is possible with them.

Luda December 11, 2009 9:37 am (Pacific time)

Wow I am taken aback by the hundreds of comments on this post. A lot of which are kind of pathetic. I feel pain in my heart toward those children, I also feel pain for the parents... I think if that mother knew what she does today she would have thought twice about in which way she should discipline her child/children. I am a mother of 3 boys and I can never imagine enforcing such discipline on them, such as to cause them physical pain. I love my children and believe the best way to get through to them is talking to them, explaining to them. Act in such way so that they may trust me and respect me. Even if discipline is enforced make them understand what they did wrong and why they were disciplined. My husband had an abusive father growing up and what his dad didn't realize is with every beating he stacked a brick by brick wall between him and his son. He cause him a lot of physical and mental pain that (thankfully) is being let go day by day with work and forgiveness... One thing I believe is people are misinterpreting the "ROD" the bible speaks a lot by parables and I believe when Jesus said use the "ROD" he dint actually mean go get a stick and beat your child. That just sounds way out of character for him. I am not siding with anyone in my post, I do believe the children were hit more then ones with more force then should have been used and not with love as the bible states for us to do, but instead they were beat out of anger. I do understand teens are hard to raise and I remember being a teen myself. It is not though when my parents yelled at me or slapped me (which dint happen to much) that I wanted to listen to them and respect them, It is when they sat down with me and spoke open heartedly with me. It is then when I wanted to do EXACTLY as they are teaching me to do. I was raised in a Ukrainian Christian family and thank God my parents had the wisdom to raise me and my 8 siblings in a well mannered way without any harsh beating or insane discipline. I was not beat, I was not abused, and if I were, I can openly say I would not feel the same way about my parents today. Beating builds a wall especially when it is done out of anger. I am not against spanking a child when they are misbehaving, on their bottom, not their head, not their legs not their back. AND never hard enough as to leave a mark! I do though feel that the children will wish they went about this in a different way ones they grow up and get a little older, but I can not judge them because I was not right there in their home. People say "I know this family very well", "I never seen any marks on the children". I'm sorry but no matter how much you know this family, no one EVER knows EXACTLY what is going on behind closed doors of a home you do not live in. People can put up a very good front. I did feel pain for the mother and father when I see hurt in their eyes, because I bet they would do anything to take that time back now. No I don't think they were bad people they just went about a very wrong way of raising their kids. I also feel a tremendous amount of pain for the children, the life at home, the trials they had to go through and face their parents... they must have had enough anger in their hearts to be able to do that. A family was broken... and that's to bad. EDITOR: wow you've had to answer back to some very close minded people on this post. Hopefully you don't have to deal with this kind of stuff with every posting... Also, Congrats on your new Grandchild, you sound like a you will be a neat grandpapa!

al December 11, 2009 8:22 am (Pacific time)

ave anyone mentioned overall health of the children? If they were abused for so long don’t they have to have health issues and everything? Let’s look from another side. The mother has seven kids (not dogs )wakes up in the morning feeds them provides clean cloth. Cleans the house you know how much work is that and if you do not have seven kids you do not know. Those kids have to listen to the parents help so they will grow good citizens for the United States. If they disobey than spanking is definitely not going to kill them but give them some wisdom. There are different kids some of them you tell them to do and they do some of them they need a little spanking so they understand better. This parents do not consume drugs or narcotics or alcohol not even smoke. They have the natural feeling when to stop. And if it is a mark or even more no one will die. Instead will have some understanding that the parent should be obeyed. Kids are dying from not spanking them enough and rarely from spanking too much. If the person uses drugs alcohol those kids should not be around the abusive parents however, this parents feed their kids provide everyday needs and beet them for disobedience than is okay. Moreover, this parents never had any previous convictions. They leave a good life trying to do what they have to do. I am very upset with the outcome. They did not even had a interpreter in their own language. They speak Ukrainian the interpreters were Russian. They did not have even a lawyer because they thought that they are not at fault. I think the kids are healthy and we will never see haw many pills the state will give them to make them seek and stupid. That is not even funny the state gives them pills and makes them fat ugly and never good citizens. I will tell you what is abuse feeding kids with the food that is not natural . I think there is more damage from the pills that state gives to the foster kids than from bruises from a rope from your father. If the kid says that they do not want the pills than the state is writing in their case that they are not obedient and privileges are taking away until they decide to obey. The doctors ask questions like do you like some pills? The kids say no the doctors come up with a different question “maybe a happy pill” It is all business and kids are to young to understand. No parent told them extraordinary things that they cannot obey. Keeping them strict is not a crime and if I do not know and it is than we have to revise the law. Leaving them to have sex at 12 and make abortion and teaching them to use condoms instead of not having sex until marriage that is a crime. My people teach the kids to obey them and is hard to do that in a culture that says do not obey you are free to do everything. After they do the culture says you did it because u are bad and do not know and will never know. Just label them. My people do not label the kids they work hard to have them choose good things when they are not able to choose for themselves yet.

S S December 11, 2009 2:04 am (Pacific time)

To editor: Those who spare the rod of discipline hate their children. Those who love their children care enough to discipline them. Proverbs 13:24 to parents: So do not act like the people in Egypt, where you used to live, or like the people of Canaan, where I am taking you... You must obey all my regulations and be careful to obey my decrees, for I am the Lord your God. Leviticus 18:2-4 to son Dimitriy and other kids: Don't be misled - you cannot mock the justice of God. You will always harvest what you plant. Galatians 6:7. to all comentaries: So don't make judgements about anyone ahead of time- before the Lord returns. For He will bring our darkest secrets to light and will reveal our private motives. Then God will give to each one whatever praise is due! May God bless you all!

valentina December 11, 2009 12:01 am (Pacific time)

Yes, go ahead and do that! Take the children from the christian community and family - give them to the gays. Do that, and see what happens next.

Editor: So you are anti-child and also a bigot?

another rusian December 10, 2009 10:37 pm (Pacific time)

Abusing children is not OK, and I would have to agree tha both parents were at foult and raised their kinds the way they turned out. I do agree that there was something wrong in the way the kids were brought up since more then on kid turn out to speak agains the parent however belive me that these governmet will not make these kids happy. I am working in juvenile corectional facilty and the I see first hand products of governmet funded group homes and foster care. Parents should have been tough a less how ever putting them in prison for 7 years is not going to help anyone. The kids will be abused in forster homes by other minors and mistreated by staff, So at the end there is going to be more victims. The young kids of the Kozlove family I am sorry for a sad future awaits them.

jamie December 10, 2009 10:21 pm (Pacific time)

wow... editor, stop arguing i kknow everyone has there own opinion and yours is sadly out of line, you need to get help. what the judge did is discrimination and the kids that called the police are unthankfull human beings. 7 years and 3 months? are you kidding me? if they would of gotten 6 months in jail that would be eiding the limit. this is wrong and i feel bad for people who disagre like the(editor)

Editor: I do need help, I have no ability to understand sympathy for people who so totally abused little kids who will be scarred for the rest of their lives. Perhaps you want to keep eliciting sympathy for this couple, you should just be glad you aren't one of their children.

me December 10, 2009 3:28 pm (Pacific time)

i think what the kids did is completely WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! u should not call police on your own parents.. and send them to jail,.. they gave u life.... yes child abuse is bad, but why would any one belive a teenage? they cant even think straight... they say rocks? how dum is that? they must be outside to be beaten with a rock... some ppl say that they should have gone to pastor, or other people... now straight to police.. i hope they understand what they did when they grop up and have their own kids... poor parents, having to raice brats.. obviously if they called cops on them than they are bunch of selfish brats....

Editor: I hope each and every child who lives in abusive circumstances is rescued. Sorry you belong to and stay connected to such a cruel and criminal way of thinking.

mariwka December 10, 2009 6:55 pm (Pacific time)

POOR FAMILY... well all keep praying for the poor kids and the disobidient children...

lyudmila December 10, 2009 5:33 pm (Pacific time)

wow! i cant believe they got 7 years in jail..even murderers get less time..thats crazy!!!! i feel so bad for lyudmila and her husband,the children were probobly upset at their parents for punishing them,but they are going to realize that they made a huge mistake in a few years,,the parents were only tring to raise their kids as good christians,it wasnt abuse,we all know, it was to teach the kids a lesson,but the judge wasnt being fair at all...i hope carma gets back at him,and i hope he realizes why..lyudmila ans alexander can still reopen the case. and get a lawyer..that will help them by alot!! PLEASE POST MY COMMENT...EDITOR,,

Marina December 10, 2009 1:24 pm (Pacific time)

wasn't expecting 7 years for them... wow

happy one... December 10, 2009 1:11 pm (Pacific time)

sorry for the whole family... poor kids they don't realize how it all will come out, sure they had a good time with their parents not only bad. They will never probably again know how it feels: your own parents to hug you or lift you on their hands and of course you give a nice kiss and cuddle them in a way parents do. After the whole thing of trial dies out they will go to normal life of their new dorm place. It's right now they are being comforted a lot, it is normal not to be the case so much later on. That is when they will start to miss the family for whatever it was, at least they had the opportunity to make it a whole lot better. The opportunity is missed. The whole thing is a wreak... And after all you can't really blame the law it's not a parent you can fix. it's the law presumed to be right, so there is nothing left to fix. Sorry for the kids, sorry for the parents, sorry for the family...

Marina December 10, 2009 8:31 am (Pacific time)

Joan, first if you notice she had a LAWYER! and second she was mentally sick it doesn't mean she got off easy, she had to get help for her mental situation ... and she has to live for the rest of her life knowing she killed her kids that's the worsted thing of all.

December 9, 2009 8:48 pm (Pacific time)

Pray to the Lord people he is the only one who can help no one else is much more powerfull than Lord our God! He can take care of this family!

Joan December 9, 2009 8:34 pm (Pacific time)

ANDREA YATES IS INNOCENT BY REASON OF INSANITY (?)

A Woman's Life in the Balance
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CHECK THIS OUT!!! WHY IS SHE NOT IN JAIL?!? IF SHES MENTAL, SHE CAN DO SOMETHING WORSE NEXT TIME AND NOT GO TO JAIL.REASON WHY?SHES AMERICAN.

Editor: Joan, you really need to understand that you are not helping this family. Your assertion is ridiculous and I know that as some people read it, they have to wonder if there is any reason someone like yourself should be living here. We published a piece earlier that adds historical perspective to this whole tragedy. In the meanwhile, you are not helping, neither are any of you who write negative things about the abused kids. It is scary to think of how little sympathy the kids have received from their own community, most of you would throw them to the lions so the abusive parents could look better.

not really December 9, 2009 7:12 pm (Pacific time)

thei real justice is what court have decided. its called Federal law.. thats why ppl should stay in ukraine if child beating allowed over there. this country has its own laws which it inforces.. i think the parents were ok ppl but shouldnt beat their kids in usa

not really December 9, 2009 7:06 pm (Pacific time)

I totally agree with Marina..no way u can punish kids like that... better not to have kids at all than to go to jail for that

not really December 9, 2009 7:04 pm (Pacific time)

These parents should of think before moving to USA ... defenitely they would never punish their kids the way thy did if they would know about consequenses.. i think Judges just inforse the law against crime and they are doing their job. in ukraine parents wouldnt get arrested for that.. but still punishing kids the way the did is not going to be any good for kids.. if there would be just praying about these children, everything would be fine.. but its too late now..

Marina December 9, 2009 4:12 pm (Pacific time)

The point here is not who is worse Americans or /Russians the point is the fact that their OWN kids called on them... I am Russian but i don't think we are different and suppose to be treated different when it comes to the law. If in an American family kids called on their parents and had proof on what they did they would be in jail, and you would be saying that oh like oh they did do it and deserve it and whatever but it's only because it's your culture (close to home) is why you have this kind of reaction.

Marina December 9, 2009 4:06 pm (Pacific time)

nobody is saying spanking is wrong. Its what the parents hit the kids with and how.. nobody talkin about spanking. Its two different things.

Marina December 9, 2009 4:04 pm (Pacific time)

I have two boys, i know what I am talking about.

its just me December 9, 2009 10:29 am (Pacific time)

Marina you must not have children of your own to talk so much nonsense. The older children are big trouble makers. I will have to agree that the parents should try to talk to the children more and pray for them more instead of spank them since they are older. I dont agree abusing children is good, but spanking a children for wrong doing is very good.

ur face December 9, 2009 9:01 am (Pacific time)

there is way more abuse done to american kids and the govenment dont do crap...but when it comes to russian or ukrainain or any other type of heritages they always have 2 dig there effin nose in2 it...look how many american families need help n u guys dnt do nothing..wow

its just me December 9, 2009 10:57 am (Pacific time)

Tarja Eva Karhu here you speak to people that they have anger management issues, but it looks like your the one having that problem. These parents did not abuse children, thy dont look like abuser. Im sure that the older kids made up most of the story, which they will regret in the future. And when human beings dont listen to God, God punishes them. Read the Bible and you will understand what Im talking about. God punishes those he loves, and same goes for us.

EDITOR: Just because you don't think they "look like abusers" does not matter. They have been found Guilty, and it is their turn to be punished.

Happy one oops December 8, 2009 9:14 pm (Pacific time)

Oops I can see emotions heat up! people indeed lets stop justifying beating up, if such was a case. I think if these parents were extremely rough they can be simply put to promise the public to be easy on the kids. Also it would be cheaper for the State to have a probation officer check on them 4 times a month, even EVERY SIGLE DAY than keep them in jail for 10 12 years. That is the taxpayers money, and editor's money too... Why not make them work, WORK and care for kids while simply being watched by a good government eye often enough. They will just sit their butts of in jail while people foot it all... Doing it smarter then the court goes now would be ultimately good for the kids, and good for everybody. this is not really a solution to lock for ten or so years and in addition put them on the public's neck to carry them being clothed, washed and fed for the entire ten or so years for plain people's money. if they had too long hands I have at least a hundred nice ways to make them cut their hands short. I don't believe I my self would have to lock them, I am sure I would find a better solution that later on the same kids would be grateful for. Locking them just shows shortcomings of the system we have , while working real good in narrow profiles it often can overlook the whole picture behind which are all the people who are going to foot the bill. and this big bunch of Kids also is going to nicely hang on public's neck... Nothing smarter can the court invent? If they can not stop these parents in a better and smarter way it only shows their inability of real fix. This is going to come out in big millions of dollars only because things are fixed fast so someone else carry the real load. Don't know what to elaborate else... One thing probably is going to come true to these kids, they need to change their names and who knows what else, they will never get a life partner among Russians or Ukrainians for their lack of good thinking. That is for sure they will try to but I don't see no success but struggle. This only tells they are not understanding things and are ignorant to their own selves, much less to their younger siblings. and while being with authorities, if they are so right they had bunch of opportunities to use law to get their parents become closer to the model they expect. Instead the older kids just chose to brake everything down, instead of proving that they made their call not to wreak further but to finally get things work. I would refuse to work with murderers, probably. But with this rank of

Y.M. December 8, 2009 12:05 pm (Pacific time)

I am literally disgusted with what these kids did to their parents. And goodness people how could you believe a 15, 14, or 13-year-old. Look at the facts: they have 7 children! Obviously the parents love children and care about them, the mom wouldn't go through with 7 pregnancies just so she could beat her kids! The kids obviously did something terribly wrong for their parents to hit them (which it's a good thing they did, or else they would do it again)! I heard that the 15-year-old came home with a tatoo and the mom was upset. And omg how could you take a six-day-old baby away from its mother! How inconsiderate are you! The mother just came home from the hospital and you took her child away?! 12 years of prison for both parents, are you kidding!? Then you're going to seperate them all! How is the infant suppose to be without its mother!? The consience of these kids is going to catch up with them and I hope it is soon. When it does, it's going to be killing them for what they did to their parents and little siblings. If you didn't like your parents then you should've left, but not broken up your WHOLE FAMILY! These kids are ignorant and self-centered. They've just commited a ginormous sin and I hope it catches up with you sooner rather than later. (and no, I'm not some adult, who doesn't know what these kids are going through, I'm 15, and grew up in a Ukrainian family,too, and it's not abuse when your parents hit you for something that you've done wrong!) I'm praying that there is some sort of justice and these parents are let go.

Editor: These kids were severely abused and they did nothing wrong, you however continue to stand up for child abuse and it is a sickening anti-Christian perspective. The couple should have used a lawyer, it was a free option, they chose not to, they get what they get. Perhaps they should have considered what may happen as they savagely abused those helpless little children. You need help, the couple needs help, and everyone who believes it is OK to abuse a child and who turns on children for reporting crimes is WRONG.

L.C.A. December 7, 2009 9:00 pm (Pacific time)

The Parents spank their kids "Again, Again,nd Again.Lawyrs.."! God bless the parents. All they did it was RIGHT. PARENTS!!!, Raise your kids in FEAR of God and PARENTS!!!

I.S December 7, 2009 7:14 pm (Pacific time)

God will punish all tose people who was involved in taking this kids away!!! And i hope that He punish all of them with the worth thing can happen so they can realise what are they doing to this family.. and i know how the children service works all they do is giving them a drugs and that menonite lady SHAME ON YOU!!!JUDGE IS A LIVING DEVIL!!If nothing happend to them yet ill happend reali soon!! God is the only JUDGE for all of them!!! And Shame shame and shame for all of them

happy one December 7, 2009 5:04 pm (Pacific time)

I like this saying 'the first spank is for the child, and every other spank is the anger of the disciplinarian.' it is pure wisdom!

Happy one December 7, 2009 3:52 pm (Pacific time)

How can you say so and paint me abuser editor? when you have never talked to me or seen me live my life... I prefer to treat all people around equally as the ones being created by the Supreme being who is God. I do prefer to do talking to my kids every day while we play, have fun, drawing together or else. When you nicely talk to them while they have the best time they are more likely to accept what you are talking, that it's better to behave and make Mommy happy. I will confess the most I have done, is ASK a child to stay for short, very short time in the rooms corner think for a while and then explain what was done wrong, and promise to try to do better. I my self was spanked but, again to confess I was a lot more stubborn with my dad then my kids are with me. I am definitely very blessed, it is obvious my kids are going to be smarter people. My kids did not yet give me any reason for any spanking even, but I do have my teeth grinded every day from talking tring my best to have connection with them. often with just hints because can be that being just straight talking, would make them bored. I can't imagine my kid stealing what allegedly is being said about Kozlov kid(s). I pray to never see my kids to anything similar, and for wisdom to rear them the best people they can be, to make happy everyone they will touch in they lives. Anyway I bless you to have the best of life and understand even deeper the meaning of love. I believe you are a good person, just understand only in heaven every law will be perfect, it just can not be so on Earth. You know that many laws are often made for the benefit of the rich and dispair of the poor, though I thank God it is way better done in USA compare to many other places. But be smart to admit, it still is not perfect, it just can't be. Wise people always would admit so. But I do give full credit to those who did their best for the best of the laws we have here for all people's benefit.

Editor: I have made no accusation against you. The only thing we have done is report about the couple that is now in jail. Also, there is no law against spanking a child. One saying I believe in is that 'the first spank is for the child, and every other spank is the anger of the disciplinarian.' Perhaps you agree, best to you, thanks for your comment.

Anonymous December 7, 2009 3:20 pm (Pacific time)

Don't get angry editor, surpising exerts you are showing. go to every church and say that fasting and praying people are monsters and child abusers and you will shock the whole country.
In fact fasting and praying are the attributes of the most normal and obeying people. Moses had done it for 40 days. The scripture says for 40 days did not eat and drink and prrayed. It is widely known, if you do not know that satanist churches feel extreme hate to Christians then they fast and pray. I don't want to think that you the editor have anything common in your feelings with them. I want to respect you, and don't want to think anything negative about you. I don't mean to offend, but anything about family's tragedy can not be called business in any way. because business beyond other meanings always includes the meaning of profit, the pocketed green dollar, etc, please don't call this how the case is being treated a business. It is a tragedy sooner to be called, or understood like. Sorry if I misunderstand something, and sorry if made you feel bad in any way. Please post my comments and all the best to you.

Editor: Look, I wish the best for all of the people in this story and otherwise. I believe every group of people has problems and I do not enjoy writing about negative things involving families. I would in fact like to tell more stories from this community that are positive. I think the Ukrainian and Russian cultures are fascinating. It is clear that this couple is loved by many people, it is also clear that they made mistakes that they now have to deal with. It is time to look forward now.

Its just me December 7, 2009 3:14 pm (Pacific time)

America is a great country. America is made up of people from all different countries and races.

Anonymous December 7, 2009 3:07 pm (Pacific time)

Abusing is wrong, i will agree. And i dont think these kids where abused. The media is very liberal and never says the full truth. I believe that the children got what they deserved when they got punished. Punishing your children for wrong doing is good, so they grow up to be good. And i will have to say that i watched some of the videos of the trial, and the judge looks like he is racist. He was very rude and disrespectful. He should know what goes around comes around.

Boris Burutto December 6, 2009 11:16 pm (Pacific time)

Some short videos about Kozlovs' trial see: http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20091204/NEWS/912040337/1001 Sound tracs in Russian listen to: http://www.golosmira.com/-/ Judge Tom Hart will announce his decision on thurstday. Hoping for the Lord, we will not despair!

Marina December 6, 2009 10:18 pm (Pacific time)

To the one who is praying and fasting.. it's not a bad thing you doing but you do have to realize that we do have laws that God put on earth and we choose to live in US and we need to obey the Countries Laws just like you God's law.

Marina December 6, 2009 10:13 pm (Pacific time)

and Dill... it's a court trial nobody is suppose to care about feelings or how they make people feel- they had to prove to the jury why they are right and point out facts and the prosecutors their side that's it feelings has nothing to do with it.

Marina December 6, 2009 10:10 pm (Pacific time)

Beating kids with wires, or make them kneel for five hours is not a good way of punishing kids. As a Christian I really don't like how they use Christianity as a defense, You can't just take certain scriptures of the Bible that you pick out you got to read it all and obey it all not only what benefits you. And also by the way it does say in the Bible that you have to obey the LAW where you live. If they did what they are accused of they should just admit it cause otherwise they are lying (which is a sin) and they cover with God's word. They would have had it easier if they just told the truth and say they didn't know the law and that they wouldn't do it again... but just keep saying it's what God says to do...that's not right. They say the kids are lying but they should look at themselves cause they raised those kids.

Marina December 6, 2009 9:59 pm (Pacific time)

Are you serious, it was a trial the Judge order for her to leave - just leave as ordered the cop is not going to ask her nicely (by talk) for her to leave. I don't wish this on anyone... but they way she acted was not nice. If they wanted to represent themselves that's their choice but had to learn the rules of court before representing yourself.

ME December 6, 2009 6:41 pm (Pacific time)

this is pathetic, the guards, the judge, even the lawyers! these parents were not abusing their children, yes, they were punishing. ask those people that never got punished when they were kids, where are they now?! 16 and pregnant? or out of the house somewhere with a 'boyfriend' America is so stupid in the fact that they take this for abuse. so a kid was bad, sure, you can tell them somtething, talk to them, but if they do it again, you can spank them, its not against the law. Many people believe that 'talking' to your kids is enough. but if anybody would see the way this kid acts, the things he does, talking to them doesnt work. now the kids are just screwed, the government is going to work against these parents. not to have their kids back. OJ killed his wife. where is he right now? and these parents were punishing their children, and now they are facing up to 10 years in jail? what does that tell you? that american government cares about 'feelings' and 'safety'? heck no! all the stupid officials care about is the green money they get...pathetic! let the parents have their kids back and live a healthy life..

Dill December 6, 2009 6:32 pm (Pacific time)

If Luydmila wouldn't get up on guards call that means "somebody" really tried hard to make her feel truly abused, or you would behave anyhow else if you are disgusted?

Anonymous December 6, 2009 5:41 pm (Pacific time)

Marina I am working with people too and often have to do something similar to people I will tell you in even worser situations. Even with people under influence, and I have never failed to make people obey with just plain talk , shame to the guard, for rendering the whole system obsolete, while he is to do his best to uphold and make the system look good. And by the way majority of fat men tend to be violent. Don't get me wrong, not all.

Gary December 6, 2009 5:29 pm (Pacific time)

I don't kn ow who is right and who is wrong here, but this would make a nice youtube sensation video on Kozlov case will go viral in a matter of hours with hundreds of thousands of viewers let the people judge! Oregon authorities will not be people's favorite after that for sure no matter what. Editor please post my comments.

Anonymous December 6, 2009 5:23 pm (Pacific time)

I am not eating anything and not drinking anything and praying, it is the end of second day now. I am very determined to continue to pray and fast this way, so do hundreds of thousands, together with millions praying. We beg God to give mercy to judges if they want to show that they have hearts inside not stones. I am sorry that this American justice because of this case with Kozlov has become a joke in all the Europe and beyond. w3c5x

Editor: So I'm curious, are you one of these child abusers too? It almost seems impossible that you are not. I'll tell you this much, nobody is making a joke out of a judge who oversaw a case where parents brutally abused their children. You need mental help, and God help any kids that are ever around you. Many if not most people, including Europe, consider child abusers to be monsters, just like people who treat animals with cruelty, in fact that is often where this disgusting behavior begins.

Anonymous December 6, 2009 5:01 pm (Pacific time)

Marina don't be funny if anyone would blame you and put you innocent in jail you would look elsewhere too. I came here believing in in these people here. I did not think they are so secular. And I am not putting deep roots here because they sawing distrust. They are not very honest on this site too, not all the comments get posted. Many people here write to open your eyes but the comments are not being posted.

Editor: We don't have to and will not publish any needless comments from people who support child abusers, this is a business, that is honest!

yes it is December 6, 2009 3:46 pm (Pacific time)

imagine!parents,who gave all the freedom to their kids,afterwards will reap STD,AIDs,wedlock's grandkids etc. disgusting. yes it is.

Yelena December 6, 2009 12:23 am (Pacific time)

People think about this , how can a child be without mother or father, those people that took their kids they wont sleep at night they will have nighters because God will show them justice . Millions of people prays, God will punish those people who took them , those kids will lie to you and put you to jail the same way. I believe that who goes against God wont be left without punishment. God SHOW Mersey!!!!!!!!!

Pamela Gaston December 5, 2009 10:22 pm (Pacific time)

THE AGENDA OF THE FAMILY DESTROYERS

By Pamela Gaston

August 18, 2001

NewsWithViews.com

In Oregon, meetings were held in 1989, called; "Oregon Agenda for the Children and Families" At these meetings of agency and government interests, plans were designed for a comprehensive mechanism to assess and control the lives of every Oregonian, and derive as much interest (Money) for the state as possible while enforcing this agenda.

From these meetings came "Oregon Shines; Benchmarks Goals"; "Goals 2000"; "Justice 2020" and "Small World Courts" and the theme of "Community Policing". Policies were created to implement these "goals" for every Oregonian, most of which are now encoded in the statutory scheme currently enforced in Oregon.

Source http://www.newswithviews.com/family/family.htm

marina December 5, 2009 10:31 pm (Pacific time)

If you don't like it here and this Sovit Union is better than why are you here and not there hmmm?

Marina December 5, 2009 10:29 pm (Pacific time)

He asked to to get up and she said No, the police is from this earth he fallowing the law and his job rules unlike her who thinks she can do and say whatever she wants whenever she wants... if she just got up when asked to he wouldn't have had to make her.

Anonymous December 5, 2009 9:35 pm (Pacific time)

The guard at the court was grabbing and carrying away Luydmila Kozlov as like he is not of this Earth even. Take a look what a shame to the system and no judge would stop this! Communists even wouldn't conduct so unhumane courts, in the former Soviet Union, the "Axis of Evil" What these people make America then?! Shame!

Jeremy December 5, 2009 3:28 pm (Pacific time)

Maybe God will let that come upon You sometime in the future! You may get the same brave kids, who would go against you ! the way you treat others You would be treated!

N.S December 5, 2009 11:06 am (Pacific time)

these last 3 days were the last courts for this family.the 3 oldest kids said the didnt want to go back home.people say that the kids werent acting like themselves more like they were on some kind of drugs.only one child said she wants to go home but the judge shushed her.all kids are taken away.even the baby.ludmila and alexander will be in jail for 18 months.

Anonymous December 5, 2009 6:06 am (Pacific time)

The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you. John 15:20

someone December 4, 2009 9:31 pm (Pacific time)

GOD WILL HELP THEM!!!

Micro Word December 4, 2009 5:25 pm (Pacific time)

who loved money, hear all this and sneering at this family. You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in God's sight.

Micro Word December 4, 2009 2:55 am (Pacific time)

I’m watching your site and this intrigue between so loved kids, their parents and justice. But made comment only now. Thank you very much for making this web-site. May God be always with you. I pray that you post the truth for our AMERICA to read and to know reality of present country. So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. God abhors dishonest scales, but accurate weights are his delight. The wicked man earns deceptive wages, but he who sows righteousness reaps a sure reward. The truly righteous man attains life, but he who pursues evil goes to his death. The God detests men of perverse heart but he delights in those whose ways are blameless. The God detests differing weights, and dishonest scales do not please him. He who sows wickedness reaps trouble, and the rod of his fury will be destroyed. The eyes of the God keep watch over knowledge, but he frustrates the words of the unfaithful. The violence of the wicked will drag them away, for they refuse to do what is right. A false witness will perish, and whoever listens to him will be destroyed forever. Differing weights and differing measures— the God detests them both. For whatever is hidden is meant to be disclosed, and whatever is concealed is meant to be brought out into the open. If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear. EDITOR ,PLEASE POST MY COMMENT! GOD BLESS EVERYONE!

ME December 3, 2009 10:39 pm (Pacific time)

They are the heros!

Ed December 3, 2009 10:18 pm (Pacific time)

I am happy there are still people who are really Christians and who really understand God's words. By looking at the kinds on these last two days in court we could surely say that the kids were given some peels or something because there is something going on with the kids. Parents do not recognize their children ... When they ask if they love them - Some of them said no. People would any one say in the face of their parents that they do not love them? NO! These kids are under the influence of something.. When parents asked their son if it is really true that they beat them with rocks? He said: I dont understand the question! I dont know what are you talking about! How can you explain that? Lyudmila asked judge and authorities what did they do with their children? What pills or anything they gave to them? They got an answer: We gave them some water? What kind of water? Come on people…. Some of you have to start using your own brains!! Before that... like a month ago.. Kids did want to see their parents and return to their house. But now , before the court we can see that they were influenced by something to say lie. When one of the sons were asked by parents if he is scared of people around him, He answered YES. Why authority does not allow people to record, take pictures in the court, but in any other courts they do allow that!? Because they dont want public to see what happening their. They dont want public to see all of these unlawful thing that are happening there! ! ! When parents ask authoritative about unlawful act that have been done, they never answer these question clearly. According to court rules - If Witness does not give an answer to the question that he is being asked, He is to leave the court or He can stay but his voice does not count. Parents asked witnesses a few questions such as: Why did authorities came into the house at night with out a warrant? Why did authorities gave Lily(youngest child)a shot without letting the parent know about that? They did now get answers to these questions!! That means these witnesses should be dismissed from the court! But they aren't! Why? When there is something said or done by parents or Russian/Ukraine community, authorities right away take strong actions against them! How do you call that? - DISCRIMINATION!! Why do you think authorities are so angry and against the parents and Russian/Ukraine community? Because these people did not go along the BANDWAGON! America got really used to BANDWAGON… people do not have their own opinions, or if they do they are scared to say it out loud because it may be different from others or not popular! During the court there are many people gathered by the building. They were given a permission to put a little tent there.. Now authorities do not like all that so police thought they would scare the Russian/Ukraine community by scaring them that if they would not move the tent and stop signing they would be arrested! America-country of freedom! – is there such a law by which they could be arrested because of peaceful singing and supporting of their friends? Russian/Ukraine communities already past all that when they were persecuted back in our country.. Real Christian will never give up God’s laws!! And this is why these people do not go along the BANDWAGON. Editor: please show the truth to public!!

mira December 3, 2009 3:25 pm (Pacific time)

these kids were under the influence of some specific medication (given intentionally) to make sure the kids stay calm and telling only what they were told to tell (nothing more nothing less). when kids answered, they were answering with the complete sentences, with little to no emotions.surprising fact that these usually emotional, energetic kids were almost lethargic - so calm, no any emotions; answers were blurred: dad asks the girl: did you say that i assaulted you with stones, spoons, forks; did i do that? she replied : "i don't know, um, maybe...".dad asked Dima: do you understand that stealing , theft is bad, and I was disciplining you for that? Dima was :"I can't understand that question" kids looked very different from what they used to be.We remember them energetic,emotional always smiling kids. Now they were extremely calm, frightened(not! by seeing their parents; but frightened by all these who taught them how to say and what to say during trial. I am more then positive that kids were very properly "conditioned" without their will; they answered unwillingly; - you would sense that, by listening to them! EDITOR ,PLEASE POST MY COMMENT! GOD BLESS EVERYONE!

RFDude December 3, 2009 3:21 am (Pacific time)

Brave kids! I'll pray for them to let go off emotional pain, and find good home, away from those so-called "christians".

Dana C. December 2, 2009 8:30 pm (Pacific time)

I went to the hearing with my mom taday and was shocked at what the kids were saying. The parents told their kids that they still love them and that they don't care about what the kids did. The parents forgave their kids and told them that they want the best for their kids and that they want them to come back but this was Tanya's (the 15 year old) reaction: she just cried... Now Dimitry's reaction was different...he said he doesn't believe his parents and doesn't want to live with them. The parents cried so much that the litteraly ran out of tears and were crying without tears...SO SAD

Vitaliy December 1, 2009 9:15 pm (Pacific time)

God will bless this parents! I belive!!! I now this children they are meen to every body!!!!

Vitaliy December 1, 2009 9:14 pm (Pacific time)

God will bless this parents! I belive!!! I now this children they are meen to every body!!!!

John November 30, 2009 7:32 am (Pacific time)

The true meaning of a family is falling apart in this once Christian country. All of you who live in this country should be thankful to those who worship the Lord. Without these righteous followers of God, this country would have been covered in ash like Sodom and Gomorrah. Those cities did not have at least ten people who were true worshipers of God, and God being the judge of all judges ruled out His punishment unto those corrupt sinners. If we seperate the family, we will go against God's laws, which stands above the US laws. God will then intervene and punish those who don't follow His rules and force others to break them. A reminder to all disbelievers that the Christians from all over the world are in prayer to God about the family. God will not stand and watch. If we are taking action, then God seeing our faith will take immediate action.

Boris Burutto November 29, 2009 8:53 am (Pacific time)

Dear friends, brothers and sisters, From 1st till 3rd December of 2009 year the definitive court over Alexander and Lyudmila Kozlov will take place. We will pray, that all false charges from them have dismissed and a family has reunited!

Anonymous November 28, 2009 7:37 pm (Pacific time)

Hey Oksana is right!

Anonymous November 11, 2009 1:12 am (Pacific time)

THIS IS A SERIOUS MATTER PEOPLE! PRAY TO THE LORD ALMIGHTY AND HE WILL HEAR YOU! HE PROMISED SO! DON'T GIVE UP HOPE! ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE THROUGH CHRIST! HE CAN CHANGE THE MINDS OF THESE CRUEL PEOPLE THAT ARE EMOTIONALLY ABUSING THIS FAMILY! GOD BLESS YOU ALL WHO CARES ABOUT THIS FAMILY AND PRAYS FOR THEM! STAND UP FOR JUSTICE AND SHOW YOUR SUPPORT! TO LORD BE THE GLORY! AMEN!

Oksana November 4, 2009 5:44 pm (Pacific time)

It took me quite a while to read all the comments posted. To be honest some of them are filled with nonsense written by those who obviously are angry at what has happened to the family they know. However, that does not mean that its alright to start blaming the government, the author of the article, or anyone else at the fact that the children called the police on their parents. This is not about governement against Russian Christians, or judges being racist, or the author/editor being unfair, its about the family in conflict!! I am a ukrainian by nationality, and a member of a russian Slavic Church,and I come from a family that knows the family of Kozlov personally, and I am very much saddened at what has happened and hope that soon everything will be resolved and that God will bless the family and children. However, I am very much surprised at the conduct of so called "christians". Looking at the comments you leave, I would not think of you as a christian, not even close! herefore, before you try to openly protect and side with what you belive is right and true, learn how to act as who you say you are! Everyone (i hope) understands and knows that not all Russian famalies buse thir children, and that not all Americans dislike/hate Russians, and most importantly NO ONE WILL EVER REALLY KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING IN THE FAMILY, AND WHO (THE CHILDREN OR THE PARENTS) IS GUILTY. Its up to good, in-depth, and all prejudiced beliefs aside, investigation to decide. Also, if you are in america you really need to know the laws and follow them if you are to be living here, and aggreeing with the editor there is no room for all of your nationality beliefs and pride here, so please put it aside! As a Christian, I belive God loves everyone equally and has created us all equally, and has His hand above everything, and this case as well. So instead of blaming everyone and everything around us for what has happened, just pray!! As for spanking, I belive it is okay to spank for discipline and explaining before-hand, but not to the point of beating. In the case of the Kozlov family I do belive that the parents are very nice, well acting parents. My mom grw up with Lyudmila Kozlova and all se says is that this lady was a good, nice, well mannered person with a good heart. As for the children, they are known as problamatic and un-mannered. However, like I already said, no one will realy know. I hope that the media, as well as people who are looking into this, will stop being biased and prejudiced and really look into this and do what they would want to be done to them it they were in a situtation like this.! God Bless You All! PS. Note to editor, I respect you answering the comments with respect. :)

Mindy October 24, 2009 7:16 am (Pacific time)

Here is the sole example of HATE CRIME:The Whole judicial process is being influenced with the sole purpose to accuse and prosecute Christians. The media preps the readers minds supporting only one side of a family conflict!!! And then they will want to make them to go to the Jury trial; when they already have made all of the juries to be against that family. HATE CRIME! PEOPLE BE AWARE! It is going to target specific population to make more victims in a future! Editor, Please,post my comment! God Bless You!

Anonymous October 9, 2009 2:37 pm (Pacific time)

! Pray to the Lord people he is the only one who can help no one else is much more powerfull than Lord our God! He can take care of this family!

Malina October 5, 2009 8:44 pm (Pacific time)

It is sad to see that you as a Rep. of this Newspaper or this website, and not posting all the peoples opinions.

Tarja Eva Karhu September 30, 2009 6:34 pm (Pacific time)

Malia, learn to spell! Are you really for child abuse because I'm truly against it? If so, then you're just as sick! You only blindly support those so-called parents because you are actually brainwashed into doing so. If you (and people like you) really want to be able to abuse children, then feel free to go to Thailand because Thailand has lots of child sex markets. It really makes me sick to think that people like you are actually against these children! Parents that have at least half of the brain will be able to raise their kids without even resorting to violence.

Anonymous September 23, 2009 5:39 am (Pacific time)

I agree with last six postings 100%. I really support these public outcries for Justice. It is unimaginable what these parents are going through now. Justice should not be done in this cruel way! Don't judges see that! This is the most bizarre case and so much lies are going on in so called Judicial system. People open up your eyes wide and stand up for this family and raise your voices to bring kids back to the family. This family does not deserve this torture! Pray to the Lord people he is the only one who can help no one else is much more powerfull than Lord our God! He can take care of this family!

Malia P. September 22, 2009 6:37 pm (Pacific time)

LOOK,: - Lyudmila Kozlova DOESNOT have any single driving ticket in USA for more then 8 years living here!!! She is VERY Honest, Hard working, DEPANDABLE LADY YOu COULD count on when working together; - she would never offend anyone; she is very hard working lady , and she cleans even beyond her duties, if something left dirty. She does cleaning for life! - that is a hard job! She IS WRONGLY ACCUSED ! She is NOT Criminal - she is hard working lady - ASSET FOR ANY FIRM!SHE IS NOT CRIMINAL!!! Editor, please, post my comment! IF GIVEN A chance talk to three youngest of these kids and see for yourself how badly they want to come in contact with their dear family! Thom Zippleman - sounds very logic; that is what actually going on behind the scenes!

Thom Zippelman September 19, 2009 5:10 pm (Pacific time)

Why are the parents not allowed to see kids at all? They should see them on a regular basis, kids do want to see parents, everybody knows that, because channels of information do work! If parents don't know that and are being told lies then at least there are other people interested they now know kids do want to see their parents! Parents are not allowed to see kids, so what do you think parents will sprint and tear flesh apart when they gain access to kids? When was this happening? never. Are you, whoever, at least sane to presume so? The judge still does, because the system is sick, and you any parent, nothing can guarantee you from being the next, and your kids being gone to the rich and powerful. These kids are asset, and are being kept to become home pet for somebody with deep pocket who can finance the so called system... Not to offend anybody's roots, but the white kids are the top "marketable"... SAD... Keep yours safe never compromise your household to the "system" in anything, never trust nobody in everything, more over to those who have power over you.

Anonymous September 19, 2009 4:35 pm (Pacific time)

None of these kids is hurt, sick,hungry,undressed, none! the kids called the police because their brother going through puberty was told in public school that he can have all the freedom he can ever have. Or may be the school told the right thing but the teacher did poor job explaining things clearer? Nonetheless the kid just thought nobody can tell him: don't do the stupid stuff, not even parents, then who? By the way you, reading, are you a parent? So the kid rebelled and tried his best to impact other kids to act stupid, so the call to police happened. Poor parents, if they knew they would have this "smart" kid they would probably opt to have it at different night, at least to change their chances... The parents should be left alone and the kids subject to public service for a month to pay off expenses for the police they called. The judge separating this family is the one who does the damage. for the benefit of the rich. The damage that will last forever through the lives of these kids, their parents, and their relatives. If you look closely at the damage impact made by the judge, and you get horrified, he totally gets devastated so many lives, for the benefit of somebody rich, who wants to adopt a white child! It is just a cruel play with these parents, the don't speak English, they are stressed, it's hard to articulate anything while you are jailed, and called criminal over the fact that you raised several kids and are trying to keep them away from trouble. whatever these parents are "guiltied" for their thing is nothing compare to what the judge does, makes scores of people to become almost mentally ill of pure grieving, and feeling helpless in front of merciless machine, and end their life on antidepressants. You call that Justice? Justice is served well but you can guess not in every court ruling it happens, otherwise why there are so many re rulings that admit the previous ruling to be wrongful? And you think in this case things are being played fair? Justice can not be served well by displaying people who would die for their kids as criminals. AND THE FACT IS: THESE PARENTS WOULD DIE FOR THEIR KIDS! So who is the criminal now? Look well so you don't overlook it.

manya September 15, 2009 5:53 pm (Pacific time)

Children do want to get with their parents; they missed their LiLiya missed mom and dad; - they are just not allowed

Malia, North Carolina September 15, 2009 5:26 pm (Pacific time)

These parents are innocent!!! Look at their picture! - their faces are read because of too much crying, because of such a pain! True criminals don't look like that! The fact that the kids don't want to go to parents is absolute pure lie : - if that were true, the kids would ask to let them see parents and tell them that they don't want to see them. I AM positively sure - kids would want to come and see their parents, DHS would not allow that, they are afraid that kids would go to want to be with their parents, and all of the judges, DHS employees would loose its job and money. That is all about money! - Who would not believe that? that is not about children, parents,families. I am Sure kids do want to go to their parents! DHS and police DO manipulate kids's minds;- these minds are not mature yet, and someone does manipulate them very hard!

Anonymous September 14, 2009 2:33 pm (Pacific time)

Don't you understand MASONS are ruling this country now more than ever. Their low level members think they are Christians but advanced level masons know truth of what they are: representatives of the EVIL. True mason hates bible, God and everything Godly in every way he can. That is why the bible was taken off the schools, covered by all kinds of excuses! That is why so many laws that open way to people to grow in a way, do what you want! You want to chose to grow adulterer? Please! Family splitter? Please! Rotten inside out? Please! Because the masons can not truly feel in power unless they change the values system and conscience in people! That is why today if you foster your kids exactly as the bible said, you are a criminal! Because Christianity is outlawed in this country already, wake up people... That's a sad truth... You spanked your kid for what should, and you can't sleep at night? How perverted a mind can be... Let him on the way of death if you are not thinking what you are doing! Another thing I heard how American teacher, "church activist" and psychologist her self was teaching in church saying if your kid tends to do the bad stuff like drugs disorderly sex life, let him try the full taste of that, and then you will have him back. How perverted is this? She literally said that, without any pre, sub, ar after context! If young man gets a full taste of stupidity it is usually absolutely hard to make anything lucid out of him later in life. If the precious vase gets broken once, no matter how you glue it, it is never true vase again. I imagine my dad letting me try drugs! I could be doing them till now! may he be blessed he stood on guard and never let this happen!!! Or my dad anyhow knew I am about to do poor choices and engage in doubtful activity with girls, and let this happen? I could be today not married, but be dying in a hospital of aids and watched by a nurse to die. But my dad never let this happen, he watched me closely who i am going out with, and who my friends are because he knew life better than me. Thank to his strictest restrictions I am what i am now, and I know I could have ended up just like that 20 year old American who died of aids not too long ago. How many of them 20 years old Americans die of aids? and How many Russian immigrants do? practically none of Russians because Christian fostering is way better, if we do the fostering the pure American way, then we will have to count number of our kids dying of aids like the Americans do! Don't ever spank your kid, don't if you hate him! May a perverted mind get fixed, and blind eyes get open!

Heather September 14, 2009 1:04 am (Pacific time)

Media says kids don't want back to parents. This all can not be any true. Kids are not let to parents, and meanwhile psychologists don't lose time convincing them they don't need their parents! Russian or Ukrainian kids are used to occasional spanking if they really ask for it. They are normally spared a lot of it that they should get. That is how it is nobody abuses. If kid really asks even all American mom spanks right in the supermarket! I am not saying it is the thing to do in every situation. I am saying that 99.9% you can deal with kids without any kind of spanking whatsoever. Still authorities are saying that these kids don't want to see their parents. That can not be true. if it were true then the kids would be allowed to see parents and openly tell them, mom dad we want to stay away from you. CPS would be happy to hear that! It's not the case, so they don't let kids to see parents because if kids would see parents they then would start tearing apart from CPS! The kids were never given any chance to speak for them selves openly, or were they. They were not. The Russian or Ukrainian Child is not an American child. No matter how many times gets spanked still wants to be with parents ALL RUSSIANS KNOW THIS. telling your kids don't want to see you to these parents is outright lie. this dad never spanked kids. mom doesn't really use to. This happened because she just was from hospital where she gave birth. Any woman right from birthing is not completely her self and is extremely prone. Any doctor will tell you that. Does the court consider that? do they? They act like this is not a case. Is it heartless spanking of a mom here? Yes. So the court does worse than what the mom is charged with. By coming home Mom found her kid did its self tatoo. That kid knows that among Russians tatoo is considered an absolute prison culture. That kid knows that would devastate his mom's heart. The kid still did it. The kid is the one to be a subject to a probation officer control, and mom should have been left alone! The fact is all russians Ukrainians when coming to the USA their kids do not commit ANY, whatever, crime within first 2 to 5 10 years! Why? because the RUSSIAN fostering is still working. As soon as kids really absorb some of the "American stuff" this happens in a few years after the immigration to USA, and then the crime happens. Does this speak anything to you? Why Russian Ukrainian kids coming here at their 10's 20's 20's+ practically adults already, nut do not commit CRIMES untill they absorb some "American culture" in a few years time? Not how these parents are fostering is a problem, some of the American culture is a problem, I don't say all, some is enough as can be seen. back to Russia we were tortured by the Godless system, here by do almost what you want system... Neither is too good! All Russians think these kids are not let back to parents because some (not all) greedy Americans want their hands on them. The hunt gay, parents to be, have for white kids is crazying!!! many of them are judges, prosecutors and other big people. I am not saying I hate gays. NO. No. I say they do what they do. terrorize us. there are also overwhelming number of rich people who want their hands on white kids and that is why CPS is so cruel once they geta hold of kids you have to absolutely "battle" your way in courts with the best atorneys available... to get your kids back. Sad... In California there was a kid taken from Russian or Ukrainian couple. Nothing helped. Nothing. Untill authorities were notified, tens of thousands of Russians and Ukrainians are going to live block all highways, and totally shut all businesses by that. After that the kid was given back to the parents. The parents never trusted the authorities. When they got their kid, they said be it damned the full it with all, stomach, life in America our kid is the greatest treasure we got. So they left for their country and were never back. They have great family now! In Ukraine. Russian or Ukrainian people are hard workers, truly taking the economy up! but we are not going to work if our families will be abused by CPS like that. We are going to leave! Billions of dollars will leave with us, because we are a large number. Dollars that we worked for with bloody sweat. and yes we will block highways by tens of thousands or more people, and stop every single business if this abuse continues.

Anonymous September 14, 2009 12:28 am (Pacific time)

I read an update on the story, it is Christian based website. I believe every word of it, whatever is happening is bunch of lies from the judge that is trying to pin the extra false verdict. This is not true that kids don't want to see parents! The judges are cruel and are committing the act of racial discrimination period! The facts on this story are overinflated acording to judge! This couple are not criminals, non of them killed their own child therefore the punishment should be lighter. All of you who read this do not believe lies that are posted by the media in their favor, is all disguised and twisted by them! The criminals are not judged like this in a cruel discriminative way! This is rediculous! This got to stop, the kids should be back with parents, and those judges should be very careful on what they are doing because people are not blind, they see all the corruption that is going on in the court system. Lies, and lies and lies and more lies! Do not destroy this family! To Lord be the Glory! Amen!

Vlad Prokopchuk September 6, 2009 1:50 pm (Pacific time)

I hope all this situation will end soon.God bless:)

TO EDITOR: September 3, 2009 6:14 pm (Pacific time)

in a comment you said "most kids can be raised without getting hit" i would like to bring out the word "MOST" i knew the guy Dima (the 14 year old) he was at camp with me and he made trouble out of everything. he was a bully and anytime he had the chance he would trip me and other girls and he would also get us as wet as possible (juice, milk, ice water...) anything he could find. him and his sister always talked about how they hate their parents and "want to cut their heads off" there is no way other way to disciplinea child like him exept with a FEW spankigs. i am NOT saying that child abuse is good (i read the book "A child called it") i am saying this kind of discipline is necessary with someone like him. his younger sister was a good friend of mine and i feel really sorry for her, for what she has to suffer through because of her brother.

Ed to EDITOR August 26, 2009 10:28 am (Pacific time)

Editor all of the following quotes are about you and to you: "No doubt that ye are the people, and wisdom shall die with you." Job 12:2 "I have heard may such things: miserable comforter are ye all. Shall vain words have and end? or what emboldenth thee that thou answerest?" Job 16:2,3 Why did this happen to a Christian family? Here is why read Job 34:14-26, in the Bible to find out if you are interested! To all: "Great men are not always wise: neither do the aged understand judgement. There I sad, Hearken to me I also will mine opinion." Job 32:9,10 I am 100% percent standing behind the parents. "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him and he will make your paths straight." Proverbs 3:5 Author: BIBLE FROM: http://www.great-quotes.com/bible_quotes.htm Voltaire, French infidel, died 1778 - said that within 100 years of his time, Christianity would be swept away from existence and pass into the obscurity of history. -Yet 50 years after his death, the Geneva Bible Society used his house and printing press to produce stacks of Bibles. President George Washington, First President of the United States “It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible.” President Ronald Reagan, 40th President of the United States “Of the many influences that have shaped the United States into a distinctive nation and people, none may be said to be more fundamental and enduring than the Bible.” Professor M. Montiero-Williams, former Boden prof. Of Sanskrit who spent 42 years studying Eastern books Said comparing them with the Bible: “Pile them, if you will, on the left side of your study table; but place your own Holy Bible on the right side–all by itself, all alone–and with a wide gap between them. For…there is a gulf between it and the so-called sacred books of the East which severs the one from the other utterly hopelessly, and a forever…a veritable gulf which cannot be bridged over by any science of religious thought.” http://www.why-the-bible.com/bible.htm ED:"Bible is the Everlasting book because what is said in It is 100% backed by THE EVERLASTING GOD"

Ed August 26, 2009 10:08 am (Pacific time)

Editor, why don't you write add the fact to your story that they pleaded not guilty! Your Salem news is behind on the news-not only they have been arrested, but also they have released on bail, the baby was returned...more kids on the way! Only God could do it!

Anonymous August 26, 2009 3:48 am (Pacific time)

This trial is totally against the rights of the individuals in this case. Whatever happened was made sound even worser by the media! The truth will prevail and the Lord is on their side! I don't support the corruptive nature of the lawmakers that are doing nothing but destroying this family and destroying themselves not knowing it. God is good he will show his power and let this family be free again and have their kids back! Open your eyes people and do not give in to the evil minds that will not let you live pecefully in this world!

Anonymous August 25, 2009 11:28 am (Pacific time)

God HELP THE CHILDREN AND THE PARENTS

Ed August 25, 2009 7:52 am (Pacific time)

Really according to your story and your comments the parents were using "dog switches and rocks to inflict pain"? In what ways did they use rocks to punish kids? Stoning them to death? Stoning them almost death what other way? I think only the "BIG BANG" COULD have had produced the "evidence" like rocks to inflict pain! Also may be someone is brainstorimng all they know about objects that could be used to punish kids? Well, if yes then it is not brainstorm it is someone having storm in their brain that is causing a "Big Bang" that is producing these lie! Please visit! Golosmira.com

Tarja Eva Karhu August 19, 2009 7:50 pm (Pacific time)

MIKE SERGE, you really have anger management issues and you need help.

Tarja Eva Karhu August 19, 2009 4:57 pm (Pacific time)

To the person that just wrote to me, you really need a reality check. These so-called parents really beat their kids...and I can't believe that you are probably supporting them. I agree with the editor. well, like I said, thank God for people like this editor, Lori, Mary and Arielski for truly caring about children! Are you really for child abuse because I'm truly against it? Well, I hope you're not serious...and if you are, I might just...die or something. And guess what? I don't even have children yet, but I want to help children. Oh, and if you think that I don't know the truth, think again. It is really YOU who really don't know the truth, so think before you post. If you (and your fellow child-hating individuals) truly want to defend those so-called parents (and condone what they did to their kids), I'd rather defend those kids...and I don't care what you guys say to me in the future because I truly care about kids and want only the best for them. BTW, please don't insult anyone for judging those so-called parents because that is dumb. I have the right to judge them if I want to. Now do you expect us to read what you just wrote to me? No. What we really expect is that newspapers tell the truth because they always should...now look around! This isn't Ukraine, nor is it Russia...it is America, got it? I do not condone what those "parents" have done to their kids. How do you sleep at night?

MIKE SERGE August 19, 2009 3:40 pm (Pacific time)

Editor: Hey you no account POS, get the HELL out of here and don't come back. You are a loser and a nobody.

me whome editor don't understand August 19, 2009 12:43 pm (Pacific time)

Dear editor! I am against child abuse! sorry for you,you can not understand people.

To Tarja Eva Karhu August 19, 2009 11:27 am (Pacific time)

Dear Tarja Eva Karhu, seems like you are being misled in that situation; please remember, that news reporters often add things to current situation to make articles more appealing; more interesting; to make people angry, anxious,...to manipulate peoples minds... You don't know the truth. would You always believe what an angry teenager would tell you? do You know some specific Psychology of that precious age of young people? Do you have children of that age? or when you do have kids , Please NEVER, NEVER spank them, never tell them "NO" (to not angry your child), just be very sweet, polite AND ALWAYS DO what they want you to do.You judging these parents, and you don't know what future holds for you; it may happen, that the same situation will happen to you - and then you will see what will surround you; you will hear the same comments addressed to you which you left long time ago...
IT seems like you either don't have kids or they are very young (under age of 9-10); wait they will grow up fast...

Editor: Tarja is one of the most logical voices here. She is against child abuse, are you for it? You should be locked up if so. It makes me sick to think that people like yourself apparently are so completely against children. Parents that have half a clue are able to raise their children without always resorting to violence.

Tarja Eva Karhu August 19, 2009 1:37 am (Pacific time)

Mike serge, is it true that you are mad that that pathetic excuse of a judge for freeing those so-called parents? Just asking.

Anonymous August 18, 2009 10:53 pm (Pacific time)

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Tarja Eva Karhu August 16, 2009 5:17 pm (Pacific time)

To august 4, learn more English, OK? You really have anger management issues, don't you?

Tarja Eva Karhu August 16, 2009 5:11 pm (Pacific time)

Smoother, I don't mean to be rude to you, but I'm really getting sick and tired of hearing stuff like "I know this guy", "this lady is my best friend, blah blah blah". Trust me, smoother, I would really be disgusted if I knew a person online. I do not even understand why so many people blindly support those so-called parents and condone what those so-called parents did to their kids. Well, if the Kozlovs truly love their kids, then they wouldn't have beaten them [the children] with sticks, cords, belts and more. To all the people who blindly support those so-called parents, you guys really need a reality check. Do you really expect me to read all your comments about how "good" those "parents" are and how those children "deserved what they got"? No. What we really expect to read is that newspapers would tell the truth because they always should. Thank God for people like Mary, Lori and Arielski for truly caring about children and wanting only the best for them. Now look at my parents; they used to hit me, too, and did this really "correct" my behavior and make me a better person? No! That only really pissed me off (and still pisses me off to this day) even more. Plus, we're not even in Russia, not to mention Ukraine anymore; this is America! America doesn't condone beating children. Remember, anything can always happen to anyone, no matter where you are, yet you guys don't really seem to care about those children; you only care about yourselves and those so-called parents...so, please, get a reality check.

Caringone August 16, 2009 12:12 pm (Pacific time)

Rod - is a rod, not a truth. "he who spares his rod hates his son, but he who love him disciplines him promptly" Proverbs 13:24 No one knows real situation with the family, only God and them. All i want is for this family to be together! Let them be together! Help them to be together! Pray for them to change their relationships where needed, but do not destroy the family. And just would like to add: NO, slavic families do Not abuse their children, they discipline them. Do not be judgmental and discriminative. I think, somehow, in these kinds of situations discrimination is taking place. Either cultural or religious discrimination. And it pains me to see that kind of thing in America. God bless America. God have mercy on America!

XXX August 15, 2009 9:08 am (Pacific time)

I'm a 21 years old and I am a parent my self. I am glad that my parents have been stircked with me. I have been punished when I was a little girl. I'm pretty sure that if I didn't get punished or my parents weren't stricked with me, I would've done soooo many mistakes. God thank you for my parents!!!! I think that when kids live with their parents they should respect the rules of the house that their parents make. Punishing children is not abusing them. When my parents punished me, yes I was mad at them but later on I thought about it and I know that they were right!!! Parents know better what is good for their own children. Government shoudn't judge the parents. Couple years ago on the news we all heard about a mother who drowend all her kids in the bath tub. The court didn't put her into prison although they should have. She didn't love her kids becuse she killed them. Here is an example of how unfair it is to put good loving parents that try to make good people out of their children by punishing them for bad things that they did, and how about that lady that killed her kids what was her punishment? I think that parents should be given the children back to them. They do not diserve this kind of treatment they love their kids and no body not even the government knows what's good for they kids of Kozlvi. Only true parents know what is good for their children and only parents can forgive and love them no matter what the kids did to them and to their family.No one will ever love these children like mother Kozlova and father Kozlov!!!!!!

Tarja Eva Karhu August 13, 2009 7:13 pm (Pacific time)

Oh please, I will not pray for those so-called parents. I know this may be off-topic and offensive, what I must say is...well...religion: people always shove it down your throat. Sorry for offending, though.

charlie August 13, 2009 5:01 am (Pacific time)

Please state the exact verse in the Bible that says "There is a special place in Hell for people that hurt children? Writers of the comments should state at least the sentence about what it says in the Bible to justify their view. Thank you!

charlie August 13, 2009 4:57 am (Pacific time)

First of all I am not justifying this particular famiy's actions.Disciplining kids might be considered as an abuse (in some cases)in the eyes of the authorities whether or not it was present.How do parents prove that they didn't harm the child? In this case it's very controversial. Let the good discipline do the work and not the abuse of course.

Anonymous August 12, 2009 6:14 pm (Pacific time)

They gave the parents back their baby! But the rest of the kids,they gave to a mennonite family.....

Alexsandria August 11, 2009 3:57 pm (Pacific time)

Everyone has there own sides about this really unusually situation but if the parents did it then why should they get kids back? Just think all moms have kids but do they make actions like these?

Anonymous August 11, 2009 4:41 pm (Pacific time)

The Bible is pretty clear in saying that there is a special place in Hell for people who hurt children. Disciplining children is not the issue here; abuse is. Your parents spanked you and you turned out fine? Did your parents use rocks and wire? Just as there is a line between consensual sex and rape there is a line between disciplining your children and abusing them. No matter your religion, no matter your ethnicity, nobody has the right to hurt a child. Throughout the Bible the term "rod" is used to denote a shepherd's staff, which is a tool used for guidance, never violence against his sheep. Are we to believe that Proverbs 13:24 is the one place where it is meant to be used for violence? Look to the intent of the words, don't just use them to justify your actions.

charlie August 8, 2009 2:22 am (Pacific time)

This has been the most shocking news I've heard so far. To me it sounds like a very unfortunate situation in which parents lost control of their kids early in their lives. It is necessary to discipline kids according to Bible! It is easy to loose control while punishing kids. So, by reading feedbacks from different people I come to a conclusion; we can not say parents or kids are right at what they did. Both parents and some of their children did not act right and were a bad example for each other. In a christian family patience is the key to a successful upbringing of kids. So, we can only guess who is right or wrong, God knows what happened.... He will judge on a judgement day all people on earth. Let's not point fingers at everybody around us and say Americans or Russians or Ukranians are bad in such and such ways. There is enouph abuse in all kinds of nationalitie's in US! Stereotyping is bad....It does lots of damage to different societies. God teaches us to love one another period. In these difficult times for the family, those parents will realize their own mistakes and learn from it the hard way, unfortunately. This incident should not lead to different accusation of the family because we personally don't know them. In my understanding lets all act right, and do what's right for the family and their kids. Be fair, loving and understanding without it this world is not safe for us tho live in. I am from a christian family and I had strict rules at my home, yes I got mad, but I had respect for my parents no matter what. My parents set a good example for me. It's a human nature to rebell,but our emotions should be kept on the low, otherwise it will lead to trouble like in this case. I don't want to outsmart anybody or tell people what to do in this case, just want people to discriminate less, leave own judgments to themselves and leave it up to GOD he knows why this happened, there is a reason. Let's all pray for these parents and their kids happiness. Satan is trying to destroy this family and he is trying hard. He is putting lots of bad influence on people that are in the law inforcement as well. So those of you who cares about this family,and is praying for them, "GOD is Allmighty" he will lead the way and show the way out of this big problem. To all kids I say, "respect your parents and your lives will be blessed on this earth, I experienced many blessings of God myself because I tried to be a good daughter I didn't want to put shame on my parents .I give them full respect! This is a warning to all people out there to be patient, yet discipline children in Godly ways, so kids will not bring trouble home or our society as a whole. Thank you for listening! God bless everyone who wrote their opinions! This is a good life lesson for us to learn from. Let's be wise and not make fools of ourselves in the future!

Anonymous August 7, 2009 7:58 pm (Pacific time)

PLEASE PRAY FOR THEM

Anonymous August 7, 2009 10:50 am (Pacific time)

In the biblical times there were these pharisees that would go around spy on Jesus and then talk behind his back that He did everything the law said they shouldn't. Isn't it a lot like us doing the same thing on this forum. Write yelling exclamations out to other people like "telling them they have small minds..." same mouth exclaims pray for this family... Its not very christian, but hypocritical. It would be better if those do not write anything at all.

poor people August 6, 2009 10:54 pm (Pacific time)

people, these people are inocent!!! they are a christian family!! the kids that got punished deserved it! and we all get punished for wrong doings! by our parents! thats the way its meant to be ! and these dumb american rules! seriously i see all these american kids get abused by their parents, forced to do drugs, and other horrible things, and nobody gets arrested for that! and when a child gets punished for disobeying or their wrong doing its suposed to be that way! and look at all you racists! russians this , russains that! AND THEYRE UKRAINIAN BY THE WAY! and whenever someone says anything about african race its all of a sudden racist? you pple have small minds. youll see how many pple will defend theSE parents , hundreds of churches will because we know those people arnt child abusers!!, we shuold all pray for them! its heartless to take away all children and a six day old baby! i bet the mothers heart is ripping to peices! and y listen to 15 yr old kids? who are taking advantage of the american rules just to get back at their parents because they got spanked and put them to jail! those kids are heartless to betray their parents like that. shame! ive been spanked as a child all the time and i deserved it! and i love my parents ! shame on those kids! EVERYONE WHO IS CHRISTIAN PRAY FOR THIS FAMILY !!!

Arielski August 6, 2009 7:08 pm (Pacific time)

Anonymous August wrote: 6, 2009 8:33 am (Pacific time) "these people might be out today! they will have to go to parenting class and not talk to the kids for now and give up there passports so they don't leave the country! They have court hearing today. The government lawyers didn't give the judge a reasonable cause to keep these parents in jail. but will see what happened next . . . so for all of you who sad bad things about russian/ukrainian people and how these parents Abuse their kids find the truth before you speak." You don't know much about the American legal system, do you? The parents have to post bail of $50,000 for Kozlov and $30,000 for Kozlova to get out of jail. The money is to guarantee they will attend hearings and appear at trial. The serious felony criminal charges still apply. The purpose of the trial is "to find out the truth." This is why we have juries of 12 citizens in America - to determine guilt or innocence. It is possible the Kozlov's might "plea bargain" - thatis, plead guilty to a less serious crime so as to avoid a criminal trial. Even a "plea bargain" could involve a jail sentence. Too bad. I hope this case serves as a warning to ALL immigrants. If you want to live in the USA, you better find out what is legal and illegal here, rather than insisting that religious beliefs give you the right to beat your kids.

Boris Burutto August 6, 2009 6:03 pm (Pacific time)

Glory to God!!!

kravchukfamily.com August 6, 2009 2:03 pm (Pacific time)

The parents are free now! August 06, 2009. salem-news is lagging...

Anonymous August 6, 2009 8:33 am (Pacific time)

these people might be out today! they will have to go to parenting class and not talk to the kids for now and give up there passports so they don't leave the country! They have court hearing today. The government lawyers didn't give the judge a reasonable cause to keep these parents in jail. but will see what happened next . . . so for all of you who sad bad things about russian/ukrainian people and how these parents Abuse their kids find the truth before you speak.

Salem mom August 6, 2009 1:31 am (Pacific time)

Wow I cannot believe how many comments there are that are supporting the abuse of these children. Discipline is important but what is going on in this case is not just regular discipline; it is abuse. You can spank your children if you choose but hitting them with objects is not ok. EVER!!!! I don't care what country you are from, what race you are, what religion you are....it doesn't matter. If you are in the US, that is considered abuse and it is NOT tolerated.

August 5, 2009 4:26 pm (Pacific time)

Its just funny how American people believe in everything what their gov. and media tell them. They all all the time and people still believe them.. They think American is the best nation ever, they think America gov. is really honest! PEOPLE! U R REALLY MISTAKING! U DO NOT KNOW UR GOV.

J.D. August 5, 2009 3:48 pm (Pacific time)

ok so wat happend on the 4th and 5th in the court? are they rilly ganna put the parents to jail for 12 years?

Anonymous August 5, 2009 4:11 pm (Pacific time)

Pray for justice.

Andre from SC August 5, 2009 10:48 am (Pacific time)

By nature, russian/ukrainian immigrants are a people of loyalty. Look at our geographical dispersment throughtout the US. Clumps of people here and there and no one dares to live alone in this foreign land. We stick together no matter what. When we heard this story, we immedeitely jumped to a conclusion, “how dare the US government or the US police persecute one of our fellow brothers!!!” Loyalty is a great quality but not when it transends reason. Imagine the same story but with American parents involved. How would that change our conclusions? Government authorities didn’t force themselves into this family, so don’t compare this story with the persecution of our grandparents. It was a lack of effective discipline that led to government intervention into this family. The enemy is NOT the government or government authorities, the enemy is a lack of effective discipline. Please think before posting random Bible quotes because with your ignorance you are shaming the gospel!

Alex August 5, 2009 6:54 am (Pacific time)

America is changing rapidly. In our times, nobody cares about religious freedom. Contrary, we see that people from minor religious bodies are are being discriminated against. The State takes away children from the parents, and they think it;s a normal practice. The same was done by Hitler and Stalin regimes. If a child spits in the face of his or her parent, US regime says, great, well done. But if a parent defends himself or herself, US regime says, it;s a abuse. The truth is that US regime is not better than those 2 regimes, that were described above.

august 4 August 4, 2009 7:47 pm (Pacific time)

this is stuoped, satan plan hoo took away the kids from people hwo distiplinate there owne kids.And this is not the low,this is the people hwo do not care abaut there own kids!

Anonymous August 4, 2009 5:23 pm (Pacific time)

Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which tha LORD thy GOD giveth to YOU!

proxozhij August 4, 2009 4:05 pm (Pacific time)

I remember my youth days when I lived in Ukraine, it was a shame to admit in front of your peers that you were spanked or punished by your parents. It meant that you were a bad child and good children would not be friends with you. If a child came to the police and told that his/her parents punished him/her, they would tell them that they didn’t get punished enough; because, in my nation, and not only in my nation, the most shameful thing to do was to betray your family, parents. Nobody would believe that their parents would punish their own children for no reason (it could be an one in a million chance). Parents punished their children for bad things to make them good people and law-abiding citizens. Recall (Slavic people), when we lived in the USSR the communist authority threatened us that they would take our children because of our religious beliefs. I remember the communist authority threatened my parents that they would take us from them, because they taught us to believe in God. Although they threatened us, there hadn’t been any cases of this happening. It might have happened when Stalin ruled (60, 70 years ago), but not in our time. Even the communist authority didn’t dare to trample the old values, such as family. The things that we were afraid of and ran away from, found us here.

Boris Burutto August 4, 2009 1:39 pm (Pacific time)

I consider that so-called the children justice since early school years brings up a warp in consciousness of children. Parents have only duties on material maintenance of children while children have all rights not to submit to requirements of parents, and them learn to address in police with statements on the parents if those try to result behaviour of children in norm. The strange thing turns out. The person, working in the company, should submit to company requirements; he/she breaks rules, he/she is punished. If the person lives in the state, he/she should submit to state laws; if he/she breaks laws, he/she is punished. Getting to prison, the person should submit to prison rules; if he/she breaks rules, he/she is punished. One state or a coalition of the states has the right to punish other state politically, economically and up to input of armies. And only parents in a family have no right to punish the children. In a Christian family parents, punishing the children though it sometimes also happens painfully, never will cause them mutilations. FOR IT BECOMES FOR THE LOVE OF THEM FOR THEIR CORRECTION! We are based on word of God: Proverbs 13:24; 19:18; 22:15; 23:13-14; 29:15,17; Hebrews12:5-11. Bless, the Lord, these parents and children, do not allow to them to despair, hoping for Your favour!

Marina August 4, 2009 10:57 am (Pacific time)

My grandfather was tooken away by Hitler when he was a child! And even Hitler did not seperate kids with their mothers!!! You cruel people take away a 6 day old child from its mother!! In the Bible it says "Treat people the way you would want to be treated," I hope the ones that did this won't have to go through what the mother is going through, becuase you will get even worse!! And that is a fact!

Editor: Marina, the movie "Sophie's Choice" is about a Jewish woman in the concentration camps who is told she can only keep one of her two children. She has to decide on the spot, and the child she doesn't choose, her daughter, is taken away to a death camp. This is fictional story based on real events. The first thing the Nazi's did was separate the mothers and fathers from their children at many of those places. I really think there is nothing to compare here, to this alleged case of years of abuse against children.

ANONYMOUS August 3, 2009 11:03 pm (Pacific time)

Editor, try to raise kids without spanking... then we'll see what they grow up to be!

N.J August 3, 2009 10:45 pm (Pacific time)

yea maybe they did a mistake but we the people that came from a different country we know more then you Americans i was spanked and i happy for that because my parents tot me a lesson and i love my parent and im praying for these people because im the person that came from a different country too so you americans think better and make the right choice because GOD WILL GOUGE YOU FOR THIS AND HES NOT GOING TO BE PROUD YOU PEOPLE MADE A MISTAKE A BIG MISTAKE!!!

RT August 3, 2009 5:15 pm (Pacific time)

I heard that they want to put the parents in jail for 12 years!

a August 3, 2009 2:13 pm (Pacific time)

does somebody know whats happening to kids and parents? From todays court

smoother August 3, 2009 1:51 pm (Pacific time)

2: Tarja Eva Karhu i dont think they're bragging they're just trying to say that they personally know them..that means ...They know more NO?

a August 3, 2009 12:31 pm (Pacific time)

does somebody know whats happening to kids and parents? From todays court

me, who know those kids lies August 3, 2009 10:51 am (Pacific time)

We know that these kids wanted to provoke their parents - they lied when said "that is a permanent tattoo" and it was actually temporary tattoo. Those kids are teenagers, who always wanted to run away from the home, they wanted to kill their parents - my friends son , who goes to the same school with them, told us. they wanted to make their mom very angry to them, that is why they did everything that would upset mom: cutting their hair, tattooing their bodies. they were dreaming about going either to a somebodies custody or to jail; - because jails in USA have TVs everywhere, they could get candies, chocolate,soda, bananas and anything else in the jail - that is why they lied about their parents, that is why they did all that.Dmitry was in home arrest for STEALING - he is a lier, whose lies do work hard, and he was teaching his sisters how to lie about their parents, he was bad influence for his siblings. These is the case where kids manipulate very hard - YOU WILL SEE: THEY WILL MAKE PROBLEMS IN THOSE FAMILIES WHERE THEY ARE STAYING RIGHT NOW. SO , BRING THEM HOME ,- THEY HAVE TO BE TAUGHT BY THEIR PARENTS TO LOVE AND TO OBEY ADULTS. soon, they will ask to go back to home to get back to their mom and dad; and soon they will tell that they did lie a lot about their parents. POOR kids and poor parents! Kids will ask for forgiveness and parents will forgive them -ALL OF YOU WILL SEE THAT!!! MOTHER WILL NOT UNDERSTAND ENGLISH WORDS MEANING VERY WELL - so find HER A GREAT TRANSLATER!!! SHE IS and ADULT _ WHO WILL NEVER UNDERSTANDS ENGLISH PERFECT - and who knows if the translator will translate the correct way? She didn't want to say that she assaulted her daughter - she wanted to punish her kids, and the kids made all these lies;and proved their lies - those kids knew how to get what they wanted.!!! sad! poster translated WRONGLY :it should be translated : it doesn't say anything about gossiping! - get more knowledgeable translator !!! bring all the kids back to their parents and watch - they will never assault their kids!!! they should Get that 2 week old baby to her mom, otherwise God will not bless those people, who took away a baby from her mom.

Anonymous August 3, 2009 9:22 am (Pacific time)

LET'S PRAY FOR THEM!!!

Anonymous August 3, 2009 9:12 am (Pacific time)

Pray y'all.

Gods child August 3, 2009 8:19 am (Pacific time)

We Belive in God! And if God will want them to go free, NOBODY will do anything against them! God is MORE powerful then people in court or anybody else whos trying to destroy this Family!!!! We are parying for them!!!!

Sergey August 2, 2009 8:10 pm (Pacific time)

If you guys are so stupid and doomed buy this stuopiditity not kbowing whats abuse and teaching children.... Abuse is when someone beats the crap out of kids, not giving them a food and ect... but when they misbehave thats what the Bible tells you to do. Spank them. I honestly dont quite ubderstand the she stupidity and idioty of politics - Why do you let go of maniacs and child abusers free and let them do what ever they want or some you say well they are just a little mentally ill... LOCK THEM UP not the parents that know whats wrong from right and trying to teach them right things before they go out into the world and be a blessing instead of a somekind a maniac. In this case this you should change this law and there will be a lot more good poeple in the world.

TrustGod August 2, 2009 9:44 pm (Pacific time)

After reading the comments I'm in shock that much of what was said did more damage than anything. who are we to throw out accusations at anyone!! LET US NOT FORGET THAT ONLY THE ALMIGHTY GOD knows every single part of this situation and we should put our trust in Him alone. DO YOU DOUBT HIM????? "God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God." LET US REJOICE IN THAT AND FALL ON OUR KNEES AND PRAISE HIM, FOR HE CARES FOR ALL OF HIS CHILDREN! HE LOVES HIS CHILDREN!!! BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD!

Tarja Eva Karhu August 2, 2009 8:33 pm (Pacific time)

Why are these so-called parents smiling in their mugshots? What were they thinking? I'm sick and tired of hearing these mindless flames, like "You don't know them", "they is nice", "they're wonderful people", "shut up if you don't know what you're talking about", "Mr. Editor, you fail", "Hey, I know this person", "he a good daddy", "she a good mama", "I know this guy", "this lady is my best friend, blah blah blah"...I would really be disgusted if I ever knew a person online. It is not something I would ever brag about.

people August 2, 2009 7:10 pm (Pacific time)

Let's pray for them! IT'S NO ABUSE!!!!! Americans are Obsessed with abuse. Spanking is no abuse!
I m sure these three kids will understand soon that what they did to their parents was soo wrong. Parents love them and want the best for them. Look at amereicans kids that's what happens when parents do teach their kids. My parents spanked me too, a lot of time we as kids/ teenagers deserve that. I love my parents and God. I belive God will help this family. LET'S PRAY FOR THEM!!!

Editor: Nobody at any time said "spanking" was illegal or wrong. Blatant abuse, striking children with objects, hitting them with dog switches and using rocks to inflict pain and scar scared, damaged and broken little kids. If they had simply spanked these kids, they would not be locked up behind bars. IF they loved their kids as much as people say, then how could they have hurt them so much that they had to go to the law to escape the abuse. I take it this has to be a situation where the majority of people are beating kids and sticking together. I have never ever seen people act like this before over anything like this. I am glad that immigrants living here don't inherently believe child abuse is their duty.

To Editor August 2, 2009 4:46 pm (Pacific time)

shame on you Editor for saying this:" You are a sicko, take your Bible and jump on a plane back to your dismal homeland. You do not deserve to share space with people if you think like a prehistoric Nazi. You don't know the FIRST THING ABOUT GOD."

goshawk August 2, 2009 2:39 pm (Pacific time)

The editor of this article, the child protective services, and all those who do not understand that children should be spanked, are godless liberals. This kind of crooked liberal thinking is the reason for the kids in this country growing up the way they are. The Bible clearly tells parents to "not spare the rod"

Editor: You are a sicko, take your Bible and jump on a plane back to your dismal homeland. You do not deserve to share space with people if you think like a prehistoric Nazi. You don't know the FIRST THING ABOUT GOD.

al August 1, 2009 11:25 pm (Pacific time)

teenagers are hard...i mean, i am one of them...i used to whant to run away from home becouse i got spanked.BUT I DESERVED IT!!!I love my parents for that!!!"hope those 3 teenagers get smarter"

August 1, 2009 5:57 pm (Pacific time)

Sounds Like North Korea

Ed August 1, 2009 7:31 pm (Pacific time)

Just like Jesus, my Lord said we will have to be persecuted by ALL nations! There was not time in history that the Christians were persecuted everywhere?! If they were persecuted in Russia, they were not publicly persecuted in USSR. If they were persecuted in France in old days, then they were not publicly persecuted in Great Britina...etc. You have got to know that our LORD Jesus said that we will be persecuted by all nations before an end comes, the end is near. We will be persecuted everywhere! GOD PLEASE GET US READY! Please send us your strength, since we have so much left ahead of us! Help me, us my Lord, strengthen my spirit! I am poor in spirit! I am poor in love, towards my enemies, my friends, YOU. I am poor in faith, mercy...please help. Do not hesitate to help me I need your help! We all need your help. Help us! WE need you. Even if I am stumble, I am still your child and your lamb ! Help us, we need your help! For your help to you my Jesus, which I know you will help me, be the Glory and the power forever and ever. AMEN, AMEN!

July 31, 2009 2:22 pm (Pacific time)

who is Editor: Inshallah brother, Salam Alaikum

Editor: My name is Tim King

this is not August 1, 2009 10:10 am (Pacific time)

dont have to call this child abuse, taking away 6 day old child is child abuse, I think abortion is worse than this and for abortion people need to go to jail.

Ed August 1, 2009 9:32 am (Pacific time)

1Why boastest thou thyself in mischief, O mighty man? the goodness of God endureth continually. 2The tongue deviseth mischiefs; like a sharp razor, working deceitfully. 3Thou lovest evil more than good; and lying rather than to speak righteousness. Selah. 4Thou lovest all devouring words, O thou deceitful tongue. 5God shall likewise destroy thee for ever, he shall take thee away, and pluck thee out of thy dwelling place, and root thee out of the land of the living. Selah. 6The righteous also shall see, and fear, and shall laugh at him: 7Lo, this is the man that made not God his strength; but trusted in the abundance of his riches, and strengthened himself in his wickedness. 8But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever. 9I will praise thee for ever, because thou hast done it: and I will wait on thy name; for it is good before thy saints.

Ed August 1, 2009 9:30 am (Pacific time)

1Do ye indeed speak righteousness, O congregation? do ye judge uprightly, O ye sons of men? 2Yea, in heart ye work wickedness; ye weigh the violence of your hands in the earth. 3The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. 4Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear; 5Which will not hearken to the voice of charmers, charming never so wisely. 6Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD. 7Let them melt away as waters which run continually: when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, let them be as cut in pieces. 8As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun. 9Before your pots can feel the thorns, he shall take them away as with a whirlwind, both living, and in his wrath. 10The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked. 11So that a man shall say, Verily there is a reward for the righteous: verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth.

Nad August 1, 2009 1:03 am (Pacific time)

So you take these kids away to go to foster homes where they get raped?! that's a plan!

Ed July 31, 2009 11:54 pm (Pacific time)

God Bless the persecuted! Blessed are the persecuted, because they inherit the land... I will do everything to help!

Ed July 31, 2009 10:42 pm (Pacific time)

NO Jana ! SALEM Oregon ! You can came to Salem Oregon August 3 and 4 Hearing 8:30 am

wow July 31, 2009 8:35 pm (Pacific time)

Dimitry, you really screwed your family over this time.

185034756 July 31, 2009 7:30 pm (Pacific time)

the way people, new are writing to make the story big thats all, half of this written on new is not how it was, this didnt spank the kids the way it says here, now all americans think russians are for abuse, no NO NO THIS is not how it was, this parents loved their kids and didnt make no bruses on kids,,

ouch July 31, 2009 4:12 pm (Pacific time)

I read a lot of comments, and my God, christian people think, if u so christian, and u spank your child, u probably do it with anger, if you want to punish your child, does it required stick or belt only? There is other ways to disipline your kids. who says you cant spank kids? you can, but not leaving dark bruises on kids. We came to United States and should be thanksful that they took us. And if you dont like here , go back, u think its much better overthere? Russia is number one alcoholics, everybody knows that, and their jails overflowing with criminals. All they like to do is to drink alcohol with reason and without reason ( well thats non christians). I hope we all will learn from this. Of course its sad, what happened to this family, and I know that in a few years, those kids will realize that they made mistake, because they will not find a better place even in a foster care than home.

lubchik July 31, 2009 3:51 pm (Pacific time)

Well I would like to add from my self, I lived half of my life in United States, and I was never spanked in my life. I had a good childhood, and have respect for my parents the way I was raised. By reading the article it sounds like all russian ukrainian population abusing children. I dont know this family, but I know that kids like to get what they want, and they will do anything to get it. When time will pass, these kids will realize what they did, because there is no better place on earth like home sweet home.

dimas best friend July 31, 2009 1:20 pm (Pacific time)

I was actually Dimas and Tanyas best friend they told me everything what they wanted to do run away ...and why they wanto do that ...Dima the 14 year old he told me all his secrets and wishes i hope he regrets about it thou he hated his parents cant wait too see him have so much questions to ask

dogger July 31, 2009 12:28 pm (Pacific time)

i know the boy dima he was always doing dumb stuff like trowing rocks at cars

LR July 31, 2009 9:16 am (Pacific time)

Editor: All you are doing is sticking up for people who apparently were horrible toward their kids. Most people think that those who stick up for such people are pretty bad also. That is the impression you are giving, you are a person who sticks up for people who beat little kids.....NO,EDITOR, I do NOT support parents who abuse their children,never was,never will.The reason why I say so is only that I know these parents are NOT guilty!!!! These parents did NOT abuse their kids but disciplined them .Why do you think they would have 7 kids then????To torture them??? NONSENSe!!!! And,PLEASE,do NOT say about rocks this is a PURE LIE!!!!!! Pray for this family,PLEASE!!!!!!!

To Arielski July 30, 2009 4:43 pm (Pacific time)

you are discriminating All imigraints shame on you

jana July 30, 2009 10:45 pm (Pacific time)

That is right!!! The biggest problem here is that they are just looking from one side over here...they try to diffend kids by saying that they were abused, while they were not! This is just missunderstanding! Some people are talking about abussing kinds and others are talking about discipline them. This is just non-sence! God truly said to punish kids with the rod. But He did not mean to punish them all the time. And I'm 100% sure those parents knew what they were doing! The punishments comes after kids not following the rights of a family..And this is normal. Parents are in judje of their kids. Even though goverment tries to take control of a family, because that is the way satan tries to seperate the family. People, isn't it OBVIOUS like totally OBVIOUS that it is last time???!!! Jesus said Himself that HE was not liked for what He did, and we will not be liked for what we do after Jesus. Dear friend, YES our Lord Is Love, but He is also going to judge our world right? That means for every word we say and for every action we do! And those parents were just obeying our God - by discipling theis kids. Again, THEY WERE NOT ABUSING THEM!!! They were just using rod in extremely needed situations when there was no more way for kids to understand. I'm sure that God is in control, and everything happens for a reason!!! PRAY, PRAY, AND PRAY for this family! They are living now through THE HARDEST TIMES!!! (Please, editor, post this In The Name Of Jesus) Thank you!!!

jana July 30, 2009 10:22 pm (Pacific time)

is it California State Capitol, Ed?

anna July 30, 2009 9:10 pm (Pacific time)

can we get pics of the kids? so that we can actually belive something??????

Alexei July 30, 2009 9:10 pm (Pacific time)

Funny how in america people believe the press 100%, while 75% of it is B.S

anna July 30, 2009 9:00 pm (Pacific time)

nevermind. maybe the parents did do all this nonsense, but maybe you should give them a second chance. maybe, just maybe, it'll help. but remember---everything happens for a reason.

aksana July 30, 2009 8:32 pm (Pacific time)

The Bible says in order to have disaplin kids u have to spank them if they deserve it!!! ask the whole family not just the 3 teens

alina July 30, 2009 8:29 pm (Pacific time)

pray hard about this God is going to hear you!!!

As it appears on card July 30, 2009 6:18 pm (Pacific time)

As I read the story and the comments which are many (I could not believe how many comments are being sent!) First of all I do believe parents have a right to discipline children, but it has to be done in love and not in anger - that is the difference if is done in anger it can very quickly turn into abuse. It is true children need a structure with good teaching and discipline - I must admit modern America has not done very well there. If there was more teaching and discipline we could see less crime, less young teens experimenting with drugs and dangerous sex practices less teen pregnancies and definitely less abortions. when America started taking prayer and God out of the school system morals went south. America started as a Christian nation based on Christian morals - I hope is not too late to regain our moral compass, and return to to more Godly lives. As to the family and children all I can say is that I hope the truth be revealed. I don't condone children twisting the truth to get their way. If the parents indeed abused the children, I hope this brings awareness to themselves and their community to find a better way to discipline their children in love. and not through abuse. I am praying for all parties involved.

Hair July 30, 2009 5:51 pm (Pacific time)

look at the picture she is only 39 and already has gray hairs. I bet these children were a pain!

Ed July 30, 2009 5:15 pm (Pacific time)

Here is something I know about you, Editor, I am 100% sure that this is true! Please post this if you do not I do not mind:
"2. Thy tongue deviseth mischiefs; like a sharp razor, working deceitfully.
3. Thou lovest evil more than good; and lying tather than to speak rightesousness.
4. Thou lovest all devouring words, O thou deceitful tongue.
5. God shall likewise destroy thee for ever, he shall take the away, and pluck thee out of they dwelling place, and root thee out of the land of the living.
6. The righteous also shall see, and fear, and shall laugh at him:
7. Lo, this is the man that made not God his strength; but trusted in the abundance of his riches, and strengthened himself in his wickedness."

Psalm 52:2-7

Editor: Inshallah brother, Salam Alaikum

Alex July 30, 2009 4:55 pm (Pacific time)

I just asked a close relative of Kozlov what happen. He said that only the 13 year old girl had visible marks. NOT FROM ROCKS NOR DOG SWITCHES (they don't even have a dog ) who ever I asked no one even knows anything about rocks. The rest have no visible marks. The police don't always tell the truth.

To Arielski July 30, 2009 4:45 pm (Pacific time)

Think what you say or right I dont think you did

Ed July 30, 2009 3:53 pm (Pacific time)

Arielski you don't know the story !!!
Don't lie!!!
How you can send Ukrainian and Russian immigrants back !!! This is dicrimination!!!

Editor: You know this is a little like Frankenstein asking for rights after little girl dies. Have you no shame Ed? You think you don't have to comply with American law?

Arielski July 30, 2009 2:51 pm (Pacific time)

To All the Ukrainian and Russian immigrants who are whining about our laws: please go back where you came from it it was so much better. We don't want people who criminally abuse their children - and it looks like the police have ample evidence to prove the abuse. When non-US citizens are convicted of felony crimes, they are often deported from the US after they have served their jail sentence. It looks like you all need to learn the legal definition of child abuse, before you make the same mistakes these parents made.

Ed July 30, 2009 1:28 pm (Pacific time)

Salem-News.com is PROPAGANDA Who would ever throw rock on their kids ? ? ?

anna July 30, 2009 11:53 am (Pacific time)

God is just testing us. you guys---pray hard about this!!! we'll make it thru with the power of God. everything happens for a reason. i believe

anna July 30, 2009 11:51 am (Pacific time)

editor: these parents are not guilty!! they have unconditional love for their children. spanking ur kids is not beating them!!! u guys have to investigate the whole family, not just the 3 kids who called the cops. and obviously the other kids are gonna say anything you want them to say since u let them watch tv all day long... think about it. what do the neighbors have to say about this? they would've heard yelling and screaming for six years, don't ya think????? this case is pointless. let them go and let them have their kids back. please. i've known so much more kids who have been attacked for real, and nobody does anything about it. it's just that this world has a big influence on the religious society and it has got to stop. u need to believe the russains once in a while too u know. i think we know what we're doing. please do it right.

LR July 30, 2009 10:12 am (Pacific time)

TIM KING are you posting only the postings you like or what? Why only 2 of my comments you have posted and the rest you didn't???You should post all of them 'cause anyway it's a lot! Please be sure to post this one!What MARINA's comment says here it's just as stupid as it sounds when american people call police for the crying baby that is teething and only just because they are russian.????!!You know I have an american neighbor and their almost 4 year old child is crying ALL the time......Maybe I should start to call police on them too? SAD!!!!!

Editor: I'm getting pretty tired of this nonsense. I am not going to back up, so I suggest you consider your actions and don't worry about mine. This is not an extension of the government; Salem-News.com is a privately owned business and we only publish stories and comments if they are worthy. All you are doing is sticking up for people who apparently were horrible toward their kids. Most people think that those who stick up for such people are pretty bad also. That is the impression you are giving, you are a person who sticks up for people who beat little kids.

Bill July 30, 2009 9:27 am (Pacific time)

I don't agree with editor that all Russian people arrested for serious crimes(some of them like Koslovi just because you don't think about children). Much more Americans and others.... We don't teach our people to educate our children, but we much more teach emigrants, because we think that we are the educated nations on the earth... that not true..

Me July 30, 2009 9:11 am (Pacific time)

Kids had no idea it would turn out this way..how sad and I hope they come out and tell the truth about what they did...Pray for this fam

Me July 30, 2009 9:12 am (Pacific time)

Kids thought they could play this joke..how sad. I hope they come forward and tell the truth about what they did. I pray for this family

macy July 29, 2009 11:12 pm (Pacific time)

Let us know what kind of "wapons" did they use? Guns, knives?... Be real...

love July 29, 2009 10:58 pm (Pacific time)

Editor: Why are you here if you are going to insult American people at large? If your culture does such a fine job of raising kids, why are there always to many people of Russian and Ukrainian heritage being arrested for serious crimes? Look at Americans!!!??

Daisy July 29, 2009 10:47 pm (Pacific time)

Editor, I just want to tell you a secret about some of the foster "parents". I work as a dental assistant, and I had one foster mom bringing kids there, and poor little girl told me how she is treating her, but she ask me not to tell anyone... I even saw when she would go to Goodwill to buy clothes for them, dosent she gets not enough money for them to go to normal store? SAD??? Really sad....

Sweety! July 29, 2009 10:39 pm (Pacific time)

Who would ever throw rock on their kids? Editor, please think about what you are writing!!! Sooo much lie!!!

люба July 29, 2009 7:19 pm (Pacific time)

это моя родная сестра лода козлова. нам очень прискорбно что так все произошло мы молимся и верим что Бог не допустит испытания сверх сил просим всех молиться и ходатайствовать за эту семью.

IT Director: Translated with Google: (this is my native sister Koslova hunger. We are very sad that this all happened, we pray and believe that God will not allow testing beyond asking all to pray and intercede for this family.)

July 29, 2009 8:46 pm (Pacific time)

just pray

wow July 29, 2009 7:39 pm (Pacific time)

thats the most comments ever i seen

Anonymous July 29, 2009 7:10 pm (Pacific time)

I didn't move here from anywhere, I lived here since birth.

elijah July 29, 2009 5:47 pm (Pacific time)

editor i think you dont have kids, by the way you talk i think you dont have kids.

just me July 29, 2009 5:32 pm (Pacific time)

i still dont get why the kids say that they have been beatten ever since they came to americe but they never said that there parents were abussing them in Ukraine thats just messed up.

Think with your brains July 29, 2009 2:52 pm (Pacific time)

To: Editor Reply to topic titled: YOU AGREE WITH THIS DON’T YOU? Editor, watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5jlrxcpkI

marina July 29, 2009 12:32 pm (Pacific time)

these comments are getting annoying. whatever happens, happens. if the kids were actually abused and have life scares than the parents should be punished if you like it or not. editor you sound very frustrated with all these comments. good luck to you all.

Ed July 29, 2009 9:07 am (Pacific time)

I know how only tell me your intentions!

Anonymous July 29, 2009 11:04 am (Pacific time)

Just because of these news Americans think all the Russians spank their kids and abuse them or whatever, I just interpenetrated for a family because there American neighbors called the cops on them this morning cause there baby was crying, how stupid for them to call -- the baby is teething and it's hot outside that's why he is crying. GET A LIFE and mind your own business. Just because they have a lot of kids and Russian doesn't mean anything. Grrr that made me mad.

Editor: nobody is singling anyone out here, and squaring off against "Americans" while you live here is not acceptable. If people move here it is their responsibility to learn the laws and ways of the new place. Nobody in the U.S. minds their own business when it comes to child abuse. Also, nobody wants to see a culture abused. I think your culture is fascinating and I would personally like to know a lot more about it. I would like to hear people who used to live in Russia and the Ukraine describe the differences, etc. Nobody is against anyone, OK? If some parents crossed the line then let the courts settle things.

@@@ July 29, 2009 9:57 am (Pacific time)

how come you all are taking sides we'll see who is rite soon. ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS PRAY SO THE LORD WILL HELP US WITH THIS PROBLEM hope the family with be tegether soon atleast the baby and her mommy.

@@@ July 29, 2009 9:52 am (Pacific time)

wow I never seen so many comments in my life! (editer where can I find pictures of the kids?)

Editor: I haven't been provided any, and that may be something we would choose not to publish anyway. If for any reason photos are made available, and they are clear to use, we will. Thanks for writing.

natalie July 29, 2009 9:28 am (Pacific time)

wow how retarded can america get????i have no words.wow.

Ed July 29, 2009 9:14 am (Pacific time)

To Alex I can help you view the case I know how what are your intentions?

Anonymous July 29, 2009 8:21 am (Pacific time)

That's what the law usually does, doesn't let people talk to the kids so they don't change their mind and go back on their word, and it's no secret that when investigaters talk tothe kids they try to get the kids to say what the police wants to hear that is so wrong, it's true that's how people end up in prison for what they haven't done.

Think with your brains July 29, 2009 2:48 am (Pacific time)

YOU AGREE WITH THIS DON’T YOU?
What’s the right way to disciple the children??? Words aren’t enough. What about promising a kid doing something good for him/her if they obey you? Yes, that works sometimes, but what to do if it doesn’t? What do you do then? If kid doesn’t listen to you, what do you do? SPANKING is the answer. SPANKING HARD, HARD ENOUGH TO MAKE KID FEEL IT. Feel the pain. If the kid doesn’t feel the pain, his/her behavior will make society feel pain in future; drugs, shootings, crimes, etc. SPANKING IS THE ONLY AND BEST WAY TO DESIPLINE CHILDREN. The child needs to feel power of a parent over him/her. But it all has to be done the right way. For example spanking on the butt is the safest spot on the body that won’t hurt kid’s body; it will only cause a pain.
I have seen families where little kids, even as young as 4 years old, talk back and argue with their parents. What’s going to happen when they are going to get older?
Why do kids need to have power over them? Because parents know what’s better for a kid. Parents understand more than kid does. But as I said, it should be done the right way. Talking is the first step. Asking a kid couple of times, and if it doesn’t work then comes the spanking. There could be parents that all they would do is beat their children and that is not right. It all should be done wisely.

Editor: Get off your little "spanking" stage will you? You are way too wrapped up in this, thinking about it too much, and your point of view is barely healthy. I will let you in on a secret; most kids can be raised without getting hit by their parents all the time. A spank should be for effect, not for pain. If you do it repeatedly then you are taking your frustrations out on your kids. Maybe take a step back and try to understand what is causing the problem in the first place?

Alex July 29, 2009 12:27 am (Pacific time)

How may i see the court file of this case? i know that its: Court File #10CR06955 Please answer Thankyou

Alex July 29, 2009 12:19 am (Pacific time)

to Alex: July 28, 2009 9:45 pm (Pacific time) Alex, why are there people standing there? that was a mistake it was the State Capital not the Oregon Department of justice. Sorry RE:They are standing there supporting the parents and not to destroy their family (unite the Kozlov family) On the 27th relatives and friends from Slavic churches were standing by the house where DHS are holding the kids. Very interesting they are holding the kids like hostages and they don't even let the closest relatives tell that their parents are in jail. I'm shure that the people that are guarding them are forcing the kids to go against their parents.(whats the point of the police etc. not letting anybody to talk with the kids) On the 28th the same thing happened (with more people) by the state capital.

kristy July 28, 2009 11:33 pm (Pacific time)

I know Dimal and to tell you the truth he is NOT a good kid. but I stil will pray for him, the rest of the kids and and his parents who had to live thru this night mare PLEASE PRAY FOR THEM only God know what will hapend

M.L. July 28, 2009 10:51 pm (Pacific time)

Kids should be with their parents, only parent know his child- how to teach him and how to help him grow up to better person, and God gave the parent right to panish his kid for being disobeing kid. I believe kids will anderstand that their parents were right as I did when grow up Let's pray for parents and for kids; and also for all other people to return to God's way.

to alex: July 28, 2009 9:45 pm (Pacific time)

Alex, why are there people standing there?

justice July 28, 2009 9:25 pm (Pacific time)

Parents’ rights include the right to the care, custody and control of their child; the right to discipline the child; and the right to control the religious and moral education of the child. Children are under the charge of their parents and are expected to live with them and obey them. Parents also must support their children. Normally, the state cannot interfere with these rights, so long as the parent fulfills his or her obligations to provide for the child’s care and support.

Ed July 28, 2009 7:45 pm (Pacific time)

When will hearing be: date/time? Also where? Please advise! Also pray for the parents! Please pray for the parents!

LR July 28, 2009 5:39 pm (Pacific time)

GRRR: BE clear! Who do you mean is doing wrong?

GRRR July 28, 2009 12:56 pm (Pacific time)

Poor Editor! Is being blamed, for writing about someones wrong doing? People! Relax! let time be the judge!

Tasha July 28, 2009 2:12 pm (Pacific time)

Isn't it interesting how the children mentioned only the years of abuse in america, and not in ukraine? So they were not punished until they came to America?!

Alex July 28, 2009 1:25 pm (Pacific time)

Why don't any journalists come to the Oregon Department of justice in Salem (1162 Court Street NE Salem, OR 97301-4096) there is about 50 people standing there. why not take some interviews(all are Slavic's(Russians\Ukrainians\etc..)

July 28, 2009 9:48 am (Pacific time)

Every one who supports spoiled kids should ashamed

Juli July 28, 2009 9:24 am (Pacific time)

There is nothing hidden that shall not be made known. NO MATTER what anyone says about the case now, the TRUTH will come out. And once it does, everyone will have to live with the consequences of their actions. I pray and hope that no one will have cosequences that will cause irrepairable damage and regret for the rest of their lives... I pray that our Father will have mercy for all involved. Personally would not wish myself, my friends or family to ever find ourselves in a similar situation. Let us not be quick to judge harshly.

July 27, 2009 9:17 pm (Pacific time)

You (Editor)And every one else who supports spoiled kids should be ashame

Vasa July 28, 2009 9:42 am (Pacific time)

Skoro amerike kanti pridet za takie dela. America!!! repent for doing such things taking kids from their parents. After a year or so the govs will return kids. They just need to milk some money from this family because of todays economy.

vasiliy July 28, 2009 2:26 am (Pacific time)

hello im ukrainian. a lot of u ukrainians and russians dont make this clear enough. u say the kids are wrong and parents are right(im not saying ur wrong. u say it is the end of times and the kids will not listen to their parents(thats true) but u know the bible also says obey the laws of the country u live in unless its against gods word. I really hope this family can get back together and live happily, i hope the parents see where they were wrong(if they are), i hope the kids start obeying their parents(if they didnt before). I live in a christian family i am 18 years old and i remember when i was younger if i didnt want to do something my parents were tellin me they sometimes would spank me and i hated it but now i am very thankful to them for raising me the right way. my parents new better then i did where i would end up if i were to not listen to them and do whatever i wanted to(hell). none of us know the reall story not even the cops, the only one who knows is GOD and if the parents were trying to raise the kids christian GOD will take care of the family, everything happens for a reason, God wants to speak to the children through this situation. BUT if the parents abbused the kids that means the parents are not christian them selves because a christian would never abbuse physically anyone especially their own children. maybe god wants the parents to change through this situation. GOD WILL NOT LET SATAN RUIN HIS CHILDS LIFE LIKE THIS, GOD ALWAYS IS THERE FOR HIS CHILDREN. we will see the end of the story.

vlad July 27, 2009 11:53 pm (Pacific time)

this is wrong these parents should not be in jail... they did not abuse them they disciplined them... u said there r reports of them having wire marks well let me tell u something tat how my parents raise me... some times u would get spanked with the hand sometimes u would get hit with a skinny stick most of the times u would get hit with a belt and one time my mom couldn't find a belt r anything so she used a the wire from a video game controller and u know wat i didn't die there was scares or any type of damage done to my body they didn't abuse me they punished me sure i had marks and red pots but they didn't last long... when i was their age i thought my parents hated me i thought they didn't love me but u know wat when i got older i realized just how foolish i was tat i ever even thought tat and u know wat all those beating made a better parents and i also realized my parents did tat because they loved me and they didn't want me to grow up and be an idiot or a druggie or an alcoholic or something even worse... parents punish their kids with love not with anger or hate... u said something about first spank for the kid second for the adult u know when i mom would punish if she would punish me where i didn't deserve it or she made a mistake she would come to me crying asking for my forgiveness... think about tat when u condemn these loving parents to a life in jail...

to editor July 27, 2009 11:46 pm (Pacific time)

Just look at your comments from anothers person point of veiw (especially russian/ukrainian) the way you speak about this topic just makes more people mad at you and the system etc. Looks like they might... according to the kids. I'd believe it. If the kids say so, I'll trust their word, thank you. You never know after all aren't those russians the enemy? Editor: Of course O.W. says this in jest... right O.W.? -You are agreeing that russians are the enemy Editor: So this is the way it is for you folks from the Ukraine who live in Oregon today? It is interesting that you believe you should live here but not follow laws or adapt to the local culture. Russia and the Ukraine were heavily purged of the people who were scholars, journalists, artists, scientists and musicians. Maybe all we have to show for it is a bunch of child abusers and people who have no mercy for children? I am afraid that if you want to raise your children illegally and with an iron hand, perhaps you should go back to the land of the Iron Curtain. Editor: Hate speech? Don't you dare accuse me of such a stupid thing. Figure it out, and no Russia is not our enemy. However, the people who move here from other parts of the world have no right to bring the criminal side of their old ways here. Stalin by the way, killed more of his own people than Hitler killed in total. Most figures estimate his murders at around 20 million. While that was taking place in the Soviet Union, Americans were pulling each other through the Depression. The stupid Russian Army went with Hitler first and then Hitler turned on them and then they were on our side... barely. I saw the handiwork of the more modern Russians in Afghanistan where they raped and pillaged and murdered over a million Afghan people out of existence, before getting their world power asses kicked into submission by the Afghan Mujahideen. I met Afghans who told me about the savage horror that the Russians brought them. You should read about what hate speech is, and you should also study the term, "child advocacy". - who said all russians supported Stalin, you are saying that all russians from then and now are responsible for one man... You are stereotyping and that isn't right. I personaly dont care if you post this but read it and just reread what you write and fix your problems.

Ed July 27, 2009 11:20 pm (Pacific time)

Tim King(the Editor), you do not sound like mean person, like you do on the comments! I am an immigrant and you are trying to send us back? Tim King, the problem is that you with out learning the situation well want to send us back? WHERE? The thing is you only heard one side of the story, the investigators and the kids? Isn't there two sides? Tim King, I am their very close relative and I am 16 years old, if I were given a choice who to side with my peers or the adults, Tim King, who do you think I would be more comfortable siding with? Yes, my peers, why am I not doing so? Why am I doing the opposite? Because I know the situation closer, Tim King, and I do not want to side with the side that is wrong! Believe me or not, Tim King, I know the story more closer then you, the police, the investigators, and all of you together, and that is why I am against you! Tim King, you have got to understand two things I as a 16 year old feel more comfortable siding with my teens and I would do that only if their side of story would be correct! Second, you have to realize that Police is not always true! Look in USSR they were saying propoganda? Why wouldn't you believe it? Why do you believe the current propoganda? Is this propoganda better then the USSR's? If you look in history most of the time who was more persecuted the Christians by the government or the government by the Christians? If Christians were persecuted more then are they all lying right now to try to persecute the government? Maybe it is the opposite? Tim King please make sure you know what you are defending as you are making it worse for your self! I am a real Christian- I do not lie! I know this situation better then you!

Please post me to comments, answer if you have anything to say! If you will still defend something that is not true I may stop visiting this web altogether!

Editor (Tim King) Ed, I am not a mean person and I never said anything about sending anyone back anywhere, OK? We are journalists, and we make no decisions like that about anyone. I will keep covering this story and I am including comments from people who support the parents.

Ed July 27, 2009 11:05 pm (Pacific time)

Editor you are defending false information! Here is why! Do you know the difference between spanking and abuse? Why do you think Police is making sure that we (the relatives) do not let the kids know that their parents are in jail? Here is why because, the parents did not abuse them, the kids were just disciplined, the kids will cry and want to go back if they find out that their parents are in jail! If their parents would be abusers kids would want to gladly get rid of them. Editor do not defend the false information as I know more then you! I am their very, very, close relative. By the way I am 16years old! The chances are that I would rather defend my peers then, some one who is older then me, editor. So why am I not defending my peers? Instead I am defending the older people? No one is pressuring me to do this! This is only because I see the whole situation! Because as their close relative I see the situation and know them better then you, editor!

Ed July 27, 2009 10:50 pm (Pacific time)

This is true Anonymous !!! If all People will think like you USA will change !!!

dan July 27, 2009 10:24 pm (Pacific time)

U.S.A number one country who not taking care of children... every year millions children are dieing... stop do Abortions... than you can say something about care...

iLyA July 27, 2009 9:57 pm (Pacific time)

the end times are here. kids are gonna turn against parents and parents against kids..all u can do now is pray..God answers prayers :)

Russ July 27, 2009 9:53 pm (Pacific time)

parents need to realize that they're not in ukraine and need to obey the american law.

Marina July 27, 2009 9:35 pm (Pacific time)

o ok, I understand.

Anonymous July 27, 2009 9:31 pm (Pacific time)

Editor if you mean that the parents of these kids are "child obusers" YOU ARE WRONG"!!! They are not and I don't bieleve those parents were punished their kids leaving scars as that kind of sours you have says.All those sourses are lying .And they are hiding kids and helping them more hate their parents and they think that they are doing the right thing and protecting them from abusing parents.Thet's stupid.......

marina July 27, 2009 9:05 pm (Pacific time)

How come only the editor can reply to people?

and, I've seen to many cases where the police say more than actually happened. I don't know this case but the reason the police/law does say more than actually occured is to pratect themselves and their job cause if they arrested someone and it actually didn't happen like they thought or were told than that's a big trouble for the cops. Couple years ago my friend was arrested cause some girls said they were raped by him and they arrested him on their word he sat in jail for a year and than they said that it was made up after the his lawyer proved that he didn't even know the girls ever, the police got in big trouble. But the year that my friend sat in jail for will never be returned to him. I don't know what is happening here and I understand where the russian people are coming from cause raised that spanking is not a crime as to the American society is living in fear because of the laws and crimes that happen. Only the family knows what really happened in side their home. And if the kids really can't know that the parents are in jail that's not right in so many ways. On the news they said that the parents have a hearing on the 29th of July.
The families life just turned upside down so fast. sad.

And for the Christian people who keep writing the same stuff, If God put them into this God will help them through it. Whatever happens, happens for a reason and sometimes we don't know the reason right away but will see it later in life. And as you know prayer is the strongest so that's really all you can do letters to the president would not help each state has their own laws it's not an American law. God Bless.

Editor: Marina, this is Tim King, I am the founder of Salem-News.com and formerly of KATU News in Portland. I am the person who decides what comments go up and which ones do not. If I feel it is necessary, I add my own comment in the bold text. In the end, I want to help people learn how things work in the United States and I would like to see everyone stay out of trouble. I would like to work with members of the Ukraine/Russian community to lean more and I am open to any ideas. You can also email me at tim@salem-news.com. This is basically a free and open forum, anyone can comment here. Let's put it to good use, any contact leads in the community would help, thanks. Tim

Anonymous July 27, 2009 8:44 pm (Pacific time)

Why is everything based on the kids story? Why don't they ask the parents why did they do that? They only have one side, you cant base a whole story on it!

Vitalik July 27, 2009 8:04 pm (Pacific time)

Those kids are a shame for the russian nation

Editor: I think it is a shame for everyone, and the worst thing seems to be the number of people who support child abusers.

Alex July 27, 2009 3:36 pm (Pacific time)

There were no scars only red lines from punishment in a day or two there gone scars stay forever! THINK

Aleks July 27, 2009 5:03 pm (Pacific time)

if you read Proverbs it says how kids lazy people and fools need to be spanked. Solomon was the smartest person and what he wrote is true. Kids need rozgu (good spanking) to grow up right.

Aleks July 27, 2009 4:59 pm (Pacific time)

All these new laws are so stupid! Before in America americans supported using force on their kids to grow them up right. Even teachers at school that barely knew the students spanked them but now... Kids try to do everything this tempting world has and parents are worried that sad world will swallow their kids into its grasps and then you hear of all these young teens dying. They don't go to heaven! If they drank and smoke and died they go to hell! And parents don't want that for their kids so punishment is required to keep them in line and be happy with their kids not cry themselves(mothers) to sleep. (For those of you who think spanking/punishing their kids is evil cruel and stupid think again and stop thinking foolishness!)

Ed July 27, 2009 4:46 pm (Pacific time)

Here is what I have to say about:"...Now information is coming forward about these poor kids being beaten with wires and having scars all over their bodies? That makes these parents sound like something very different from the wonderful Christian people described in these comments. I am shocked that the community would rally behind such people. It certainly takes a lot of nerve." The information is coming forward the only thing is the source, where is the information coming from? You know that there are bad and good sources of information? There are always only 2 sources for information: 1. GOD-truthful words, everlasting power, divine right! 2. devil-which says half lies to cause suffering to God's people just like to Job in the Bible! 3. The information from devil and you the world now days is coming to the end because we are listening to devils information and believing it, too! Here is what I hope will happen soon:"...the accuser of our bethern(brothers) is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." He is accusing Christians before people too and he is doing it through your words! I am right-THE EVERLASTING GOD is backing me with his words! God Bless the parents! Please post this comment, if you do not you still read it, this is so you know what God's opinion is about your words. You may have no excuse for what you are writing on before the HOLY JUDGE! GOD IS THE LORD! GOD RULES! AMEN!!!! Lord Please COME!!!!

Vlad July 27, 2009 4:43 pm (Pacific time)

couple Days ago all relatives came see the parents and kids. so when relatives came to see them the kids, the POLICE told NOT TO SAY TO THE KIDS THAT PArents are arrested and in jail! WOW but still one of my friend told that they took rabbits because nobody can feed them. so i hope kids will know that parents are arrested. so they will want to go back.

Alex July 27, 2009 3:47 pm (Pacific time)

Editor: the community is behind the parents because they know whats happening. They don't take the easy side they take the true side. I myself know those parents pretty well and Dima Kozlov to who started this.
(Im not against the kids they are good, at least they were when i came to them before this happened)

Editor: Alex, these children are covered in scars from being beaten with things like wire straps, dog switches and rocks. The courts will decide if they are guilty, and the evidence does not look good for them. I spent time on the phone with police today about this story and one detective said it was the worst child abuse case that he has ever seen. So I suggest you all understand that your friends, the parents of these children, may not be the great people you think they are. It makes me sick to think of what these poor kids have been through for all this time and so many of you turn against them. I am not the judge and I was not there to know what happened to these kids over the last six years, but we will all learn when the trial takes place. No children should be abused the way this is described by the police, and the kids themselves. Anyone who is treating their children the same way should stop.

Mary July 27, 2009 3:43 pm (Pacific time)

I, for one, am glad to read the comments from supporters of the accused in this story. This story has shined a light in a very dark place and hopefully the result would be that more children are taken out of such "loving" homes. I pray with all my heart that this evil practice of "discipline" is put an end to and that those who practice it are changed throug the process of the system. The children in this case did a mighty and courageous thing exposing not only their parents but the culture of abuse that they found themselves in. My hat goes off and my heart goes out to them. Bravo, children, Bravo.

Editor: Yes Mary, this is, as one earlier commenter named Marine stated, a wake up call for an entire community. We can not control the way we are raised, but we can control how we raise our kids. If parents in this community are resorting to violence out of religious reasoning, they too are losing a part of themselves. I hope and pray that is not the case, and that this is an isolated event. However, the comments on this story certainly show another side of the issue.

Alex July 27, 2009 3:35 pm (Pacific time)

There were no scars only red lines from punishment in a day or two there gone scars stay forever! THINK

zahatel July 27, 2009 2:57 pm (Pacific time)

Those kids are so pathetic! Parents raised them, gave them life and they go and call the cops on them. Maybe they should of listened to their parents first then they wouldnt get punished. Now children; cry all you want, americans wont let this kind of stuff go.
All we have to do is pray.

Editor: Now information is coming forward about these poor kids being beaten with wires and having scars all over their bodies? That makes these parents sound like something very different from the wonderful Christian people described in these comments. I am shocked that the community would rally behind such people. It certainly takes a lot of nerve.

Nastya July 27, 2009 2:37 pm (Pacific time)

this is soo sad. parents raise their kids not abuse them wat do u expect parents to do if the kids dont listen!? this is crazy and dumb. the children should be given back to the parents! they belong together. did they even ask the kids if they want to live with their parents or if they wanna be taken by the government?? kids should be back living with the parents. the parents love the kids and thats why u have to raise them right and show em who's in charge in the house..if the parents dont do so than kids can end up being alcoholics and drug addicts and end up being in worse condition.

Andrey July 27, 2009 1:54 pm (Pacific time)

This sad story reminds me of a southpark episode where all the kids called the cops and reported that their parents were molesting them... i think this is exactly What this is these immature kids who dont understand what they have done will cry for the rest of their lifes when they realize what they have done.. GOD bless this parents and i really really wish it goes well and they sat these parents free.

Vlad July 27, 2009 1:40 pm (Pacific time)

Thise kids are demons i ones knew them, i herd them how they were talking about thier parents how much they hate them cuz they give soo little rights like do what ever they please... i hope these kids get deported to africa

Editor:Vlad, I hope you realize how badly you are condemning these children. I have a good enough relationship with my kids and I do believe that it is OK for a parent to spank their child if they need it. But as my wife says, the first spank is for the child, the next one is for the adult. If you are not right about these kids, and who is to say whether you are or not, then you are a very cruel person and you are throwing your own culture's children to the dogs.

Ed July 27, 2009 12:54 pm (Pacific time)

In response to Editor's: "...Maybe we really need to open an investigation into this story and really get people up to speed on what these "parents" have been doing to their children. The more people write in about these supposedly "religious" people, the less I believe that they aren't probably guilty. I will pray for justice and I hope every person who abuses children is arrested and convicted. With you as an advocate, these people need no enemies."
1. First of all to be able to pray you need to be God's child: "Whosoever denieth the Son, the same has not the Father..." 1st John 2:23 So who are you going to pray to if you do not have Father in heaven!? Since all prayers are addressed to "Our Father..."
2. So I recommend you that you become God's child if you want to pray truly to God!
3. Otherwise your prayer about "justice" will not be heard: "Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshiper of God, and doeth this will, him he heareth." John 9:31
4. Once you will become God's child and you will pray about "justice" you will be praying about different kind of justice:"Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right."
Please have this posted, if you do not I will be happy that you read it, too, even if you do not post it!
Become His child!

Editor: Inshallah my friend. I am a believer, perhaps not the same type of believer that you are. My opinion is that there is only one God and that all faiths are connected with the same God. I certainly don't think the children of Muslim, Jewish and other faiths are wrong. Perhaps it is easier for me to see this, having grown up here in the U.S. where things have been somewhat level politically for many years compared to other places.

? July 27, 2009 12:44 pm (Pacific time)

Where can I find more pictures or videos?

concerned July 27, 2009 12:38 pm (Pacific time)

I really think something is getting lost in all of this. I do not doubt for a moment that the parents had nothing but love and best intentions in their hearts, but they broke the law. All six kids have say they feel safer being out of the house. The older three were whipped with wires or belts leaving marks from shoulders, down arms, buttocks and legs. And the reason...? Cutting their hair and applying a temporary tattoo (read the PC Statement). I fail to see how this is "spanking." I spank my kids, but not hundreds of times and not with a wire. Please let common sense enter into the discussion. We are also told to follow the laws of those appointed over us by the Bible... Why has this not been offered?

Anonymous July 27, 2009 12:36 pm (Pacific time)

any update for this case?

E. July 27, 2009 12:19 pm (Pacific time)

These Russian/Ukrainian "baptists" think that they have a blank check to do whatever they want, or whatever seems right to them without regards to the laws of the country they live in. And this is sick. Even now people blindly supportnig them. Supporting whom? People who cruel to their own children, because they used to get away with that in their country? But the facts and evidence of abuse should be listened to, not their religious affiliations. May justice be served.

anonymous July 27, 2009 12:59 am (Pacific time)

we all russians have to write 1,000,000 letters to OBAMA about this, and write 1,000,000,000 letters to judge, i think PRESIDENT OBAMA will help and free douse parents, (copy and paste) for their freedom

Alex July 27, 2009 11:59 am (Pacific time)

I am sure even American family's with 7 children or more also have some kind of strict punishment for the child's bad behavior. Its just most of the American family's want to have no more than 3 children(no 0ffense just the truth)and they don't know how its with 7. Just want to know is there anybody here that has 6 children, ages all over 9 years and lets them do what ever they want? plus care for a week old, you just have to have some kind of limits! or else they would be out of control!

people July 27, 2009 11:21 am (Pacific time)

hey, people, do you see how stupid this....

Editor: You are out of line. Go bother some other news site, your insults should be directed ar yourself.

Mary July 27, 2009 10:30 am (Pacific time)

Just a little reminder people, the rod, as it is used in the bible, is strictly a metaphor for truth, truth = rod, now if you go back and re-read all passages in which rod is being used, you will see how this changes everything, god does not promote the physical and emotional abuse of children, period. God does, however, love honesty. These people and all others who practice such abusive treatment of children in the name of religion/god need desperately to be re-educated.

ААААААА July 27, 2009 2:22 am (Pacific time)

Чокнутая страна Америка с антихристовскими законами!!! Последнее время друзья!!! Христиане держитесь - потому "что надлежит всему этому быть..." Только с Божьей помощью мы сможем устоять!!!

Translation: The cranky country America with антихристовскими laws!!! Last time friends!!! Christians keep - therefore " that it is necessary to all to it to be... " Only with the Divine help we can resist!!!

Anonymous July 27, 2009 1:08 am (Pacific time)

they are not abusing their kids!!! they are just trying to set them on the right path in life. i hope the police will set them free and give their kids back to them. prey for them everyone..... Also, aren't the kids at the age of going through puberty? how could the police believe teenagers without proper investigation. "someday these kids will regret what they have done, because there is nothing that can replace the love this father a mother provided them!!!" set them free!!!... the youngest baby needs its mothers love. imagine yourself being separated from you week old baby because your oldest is going through puberty and does something such as these did. the poor mother. i can imagine the parents broken heart.

girly July 27, 2009 1:00 am (Pacific time)

Alex July 27, 2009 12:00 am (Pacific time)

When Barack Obama was swearing to be loyal to his country he put his right hand on the Bible but, when Christian parents try to educate their children by the Bible the government puts them into jail! The Bible says: 24. He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him. -Proverbs 13:24 13. Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die. 14. Punish him with the rod and save his soul from death. -Proverbs 23:13-14

AMY July 26, 2009 10:41 pm (Pacific time)

WOW I KNOW THE 14 YEAR OLD KID...HE WENT TO MY TEENS CAMP AND HE AND HIS SISTER FRAMED THEIR PARENTS TO GO TO JAIL THE 15 YEAR OLD GIRL JUST CUT HER HAIR AND PUT MAKEUP AND JUST TRIED TO LOOK LIKE A SLUT SO THE PARENTS COULD HIT HER..AND STUFF...AND THE GUY CALLED THE POLICE SO THE 14 YEAR OLD KID NAMED DIMA AND HIS SISTER SHOULD BE THE ONES IN JUVIE CUZ THEY FRIKEN FRAMED THEIR OWN MOTHER AND FATHER !!!!!

Ed July 26, 2009 10:34 pm (Pacific time)

One letter represents represents 100people? So if I write one letter to congress I am representing 100 people with the same opinion! According to this idea the government will see about many letters from all over the Globe that represents more then 3,000,000 letters from all over the Globe watch! This going to be just from our Baptist union that I belong too, which is one of the smallest ones! Also God's word is BACKING US TOO,just this is makes me feel GREAT! Thanks to God that we have people that care about their co-believers, brothers and sister in Jesus Christ, and I am one of them! ! !

Andrey July 26, 2009 9:48 pm (Pacific time)

Just few weeks ago I've been in camp with those three older kids. I was one of the stuff members and had to work a lot with them as a choir director. May be I am wrong, but I think that they where the hardest teenagers that I ever had to work with. Through out whole camp I didn't even know what they wanted. They didn't participate in pretty much any camp activities, not in camp church nor in games. We as a leaders have worked hard to get them involved at least somewhere, and it never workout. So I can imagine what was going on in their house and how hard parents was working with their behavior. I hope that the government would understand the reality and the behavior of those teenagers, and make a smart decision. God bless the parents!!! God bless the government!!!

ina July 26, 2009 2:46 pm (Pacific time)

Wow! The police should of find more proof that the parents hit them,instead of believing little kids! Some bruises and bumps isn't the proof,they probably fell and made those bumps and bruises by themselves.Or probably the kids made those bumps and bruises on purpose,so the police would think that the parents hit them that hard... 'Cause I don't think this christian family would of HIT them THAT HARD!!!! Hope they will let them go FREE!!!!....

vad July 26, 2009 1:30 pm (Pacific time)

America is becoming like a communism country, they put people in jail without even having right of having those one to go to court. That is wrong.

tanya July 26, 2009 12:54 pm (Pacific time)

Note to the Editor: Sir, you state "Beating a child with a stick or rod is child abuse. You can not change that. Even if you believe that is the right thing to do, U.S. law says it is not." Here is a direct quote from www.oregon.gov/DHS/children/abuse "Oregon law defines physical abuse as an injury to a child that is not accidental. Although not recommended, spanking is not abuse. However, a spanking which leaves marks or bruises on a child might be abuse." In other words, spanking with a rod is not abuse, according to U.S. law, unless a parent uses excessive force thereby injuring the child. I just want everyone to be clear about the legal definition of abuse, notwithstanding people's personal beliefs regarding spanking in general or spanking with a rod.

a girl July 26, 2009 3:23 am (Pacific time)

EasyMoney,in russian,Kozlov stands for him,and Kozlova stands for her.

p.s July 25, 2009 11:17 pm (Pacific time)

Evangelical Baptist Church of Salem 174 SW River Rd. / P. O Box 761 Dallas, OR 97338 As fellow believers of Alex and Lyudmila Kozlov we unequivocally affirm that they are not criminals, and therefore we respectfully request that (1) they be allowed to return home, and (2) their children be returned to them. Since 2003, we knew Kozlov’s as a good parents. Our church families maintain good relations with one another, visiting each other’s homes and spending time outdoors. During this period of six year, we have never witnessed any signs of child abuse on the part of Alexander and Lyudmila Kozlov. On the contrary, we have seen time and again their love and care for their children. The children were neatly dressed and their house was always maintained in a clean condition. We were appalled at the news of the arrest and especially of the manner in which the children were taken away. The sleeping children were awakened from their beds, and driven away from home without their parents approval. The mother was not even allowed to breastfeed her six-day-old infant before she was taken away! As soon as the authorities left with her children, Lyudmila began calling her friends and relatives, asking them to pray for her and her family; she was overcome with profound sorrow. Her voice changed into uncontrollable weeping… How can she be accused of abusing her children? During the six year period, wherever the family lived their neighbors always spoke well of them. Lyudmila’s supervisor characterized her to the local newspaper as a “totally awesome lady.” The neighbors who were interviewed by the local media testified that they never saw any abuse or mistreatment of the children by parents. On the contrary, they pointed out that the family was friendly and hospitable, and that they often had friends over at their house. Instead, what has been overlooked by authorities, thus far, is the family’s troublesome fourteen year old son Dmitriy. In the last couple of years, he has been a source of great concern for his parents. They’ve often been called to school due to his bad behavior. His disorderly conduct has also been well known in the Sunday school. He had boasted to his friends that he was going to run away from home. He had also been arrested for shoplifting, fined $300, and ordered one day under house arrest. He had repeatedly lied to his parents, and most recently, he began to exert bad influence over his sisters, Tatyana and Ekaterina. On many occasions, Lyudmila had asked her friends with tears in her eyes to pray for her son. They had concocted a plan to run away from home. As fellow believers, who have known Alexander and Lyudmila Kozlov over the period of six years, we reiterate our firm belief that the parents are not criminals. Furthermore, the manner in which the family has been treated illustrates utter disregard for the family and bias. We respectfully request that the parents be allowed to return home, and that their children be returned to them

Ed July 25, 2009 8:48 pm (Pacific time)

Pray about then!!! I am praying about them too!!!!!!!

Pavel July 25, 2009 8:22 pm (Pacific time)

This is not first time that kids taking from their parents, My comment on this one, That parents are in charge of their kids, not government. The bible says that "My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction: for whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth. (Pr.3:11,12) We see that Gods law is eternal and without corruption. "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever" (He.13:8) We pray with all our church that this suspects will be with all their kids soon.

Russians by Sting July 25, 2009 8:11 pm (Pacific time)

In europe and america, theres a growing feeling of hysteria
Conditioned to respond to all the threats
In the rhetorical speeches of the soviets
Mr. krushchev said we will bury you
I dont subscribe to this point of view
It would be such an ignorant thing to do
If the russians love their children too

How can I save my little boy from oppenheimers deadly toy
There is no monopoly in common sense
On either side of the political fence
We share the same biology
Regardless of ideology
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the russians love their children too

There is no historical precedent
To put the words in the mouth of the president
Theres no such thing as a winnable war
Its a lie that we dont believe anymore
Mr. reagan says we will protect you
I dont subscribe to this point of view
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the russians love their children too

We share the same biology
Regardless of ideology
What might save us, me, and you
Is that the russians love their children too

Paul July 25, 2009 7:49 pm (Pacific time)

Who ever did that is Stupid ! ! ! I know this Family I hope they are freed SOON Thats STUPID IDEA

Ed July 25, 2009 6:53 pm (Pacific time)

First of all I will respond to Marina's comment:"marina July 25, 2009 3:02 pm (Pacific time) and ED having lots of kids is not bad its hard to control them when it's one after the other, and 9 kids in the family isn't totally huge try have 18, I know how that is." I totally agree with you and I am not offended by you I just wanted to clarify your previous comments about too many kids! Next: "No doubt that ye are the people, and wisdom shall die with you." Job 12:2 For the editor: "I have heard may such things: miserable comforter are ye all. Shall vain words have and end? or what emboldenth thee that thou answerest?" Job 16:2,3 Why did this happen to a Christian family? Here is why read Job 34:14-26, in the Bible to find out if you are interested! To all: "Great men are not always wise: neither do the aged understand judgement. There I sad, Hearken to me I also will mine opinion." Job 32:9,10 I am 100% percent standing behind the parents because if you read in the Bible it says that Job was a Holy man! (Anything that is Holy should be capitalized as the word itself, my opinion, correct me if I am wrong!) He had huge bitterness and pain! Not because he was doing something wrong, only because he was Holy and got wanted to prove his stability! I believe the situation is same here?! So to all of you and the Editor: "If thous hast any thing to say, answer me: speak, for I desire to justify, thee." Job 34:32

tom July 25, 2009 5:03 pm (Pacific time)

did u hear about the russian couple that had there child taken away because it fell off a couch by accident..it wont serprise me if the parents will never see there kids again.all we have to do is pray...for the parents

viktor July 25, 2009 4:47 pm (Pacific time)

I feel really sorry for the parents and the kids. When this all blows over they will still have this between them,ofcores the parents forgive the kids but they will never forget.,,pray for them!!!

vlad to editor July 25, 2009 3:54 pm (Pacific time)

yes it looks like persecution starts in america today. i am ukrainian. and our family was aways been watched by KGB in ukrainian

Editor: Vlad, sorry for what you all had to live with during those years. I am glad that people have been able to relocate to the U.S. Police are are much more trustworthy. Thanks for your comment.

TO eDITOR 2 July 25, 2009 3:19 pm (Pacific time)

"a bullying ass toward defenseless little kids."

15 is not little.
14 is not little.
13 is not little.

6 day old is little.

15,14,13 can walk out to a neighbor and talk. thats not little.

ps: we have 4 computers in this house and 6 different people use it. its not my problem is my IP ADRESS shows different names

Editor: OK, but we get a lot of people who use different names on comments, I understand that is not the case with you; thanks for clarifying. As far as "little" goes, I think nearly every adult can overpower a 15-year old very easily. That is why the law says they are minors until the age of 18.

Rudy July 25, 2009 3:11 pm (Pacific time)

Who would take a 6 Day old baby from a mother? a) animal b) no 1 c) .... d) ....

marina July 25, 2009 3:02 pm (Pacific time)

and ED having lots of kids is not bad its hard to control them when it's one after the other, and 9 kids in the family isn't totally huge try have 18, I know how that is.

Marina July 25, 2009 2:58 pm (Pacific time)

TO ED: Sorry if i abused you, my husband comes from 10 kids in the family too and I know alot of family who have lots of kids. I don't mean all people who have lots of kids is bad or something, I just mean that some people can handle lots of kids and for some it's to hard, not everyone can handle all kids like your parents have and others.

Editor: No offense taken Marina, and I know that you mean well. As you said hopefully this will turn out to be a lesson everyone can learn from and I certainly hope that the family is eventually together. Thanks for your comment.

Ed July 25, 2009 2:03 pm (Pacific time)

Here is respond: "Marina July 25, 2009 12:35 pm (Pacific time) TO MANY KIDS TO FAST - COULDN'T HANDLE THEM ALL. 15,14,13,11,10,9 WoW BASICALLY EVERY YEAR!" The person who wrote this is abusing me! I grew up in large family 9kids! By saying that you are offending me as my parents had more kids and they could handle them all! If this is what you think then, please think again! The reason why I am writing this with many "!" is because this news is a huge exclamation to me!

Ed July 25, 2009 1:39 pm (Pacific time)

This is getting kind of like in the USSR? Don't all you think that? Here are some facts? It all started off not letting parents tell/teach their kids what kind off morality/life to have! After that it was one of the biggest waves of persecution in the USSR! Here are some facts: 1. Only BAPTIST was 5000 years from 1961to1989! That is a lot! Many got killed! That is 5000 thousand years total spent in jail!! ALL you wake up! When people in USSR were persecuted Americans were helping them, what about now? Persecution will follow? History always repeats itself! If the this is what led to persecution in USSR, then you better be ready for the same thing here, too!

Marina July 25, 2009 12:35 pm (Pacific time)

TO MANY KIDS TO FAST - COULDN'T HANDLE THEM ALL. 15,14,13,11,10,9 WoW BASICALLY EVERY YEAR!

Anonymous July 25, 2009 12:33 pm (Pacific time)

What parents did to their kids it's not called abuse. What parents did not do is teach their kids who are parents and who are kids. Tragic story - sad. Being a Russian and knowing the culture after reading this story I automatically said the kids are crazy and the parents just didn't teach their kids to respect grownups, I don't think the parents motive was to "abuse" these kids and they didn't think this was abuse when hitting or spanking them, what really is bad is that their is a pastor in the church and kids should have went to the pastor first who could have helped this family in a better way than to separate the family forever. Bummer , husband and wife are separated kids are who knows where now scary stuff. However; this case will probably not be solved today or tomorrow I read that Lyudmila has a hearing set for August 4th and Aleksandr has a hearing for August 3rd Goodluck. We can't go back in life and change anything but I think these parents and others learn a good lesson.

Henry Ruark July 25, 2009 12:32 pm (Pacific time)

To all: Many refs. here to "god" and to "Bible". Might help if each identifies which version of both is root of statements here. Unless, of course, you will insist that there is only one, and that's the one you choose for yourself. Different version recognized even in Colonial times, which is why Founders were forced by realities to recognize real necessity for separation of church and state. To insist on ONLY ONE is to deny others of their own choice, don't you agree ?? Which might make large differences in how each one then handles same problems with same kids, reacting the same way psychologically to same learning principles well established by research nearly as long as for any religion.

Lusy July 25, 2009 11:32 am (Pacific time)

In Ukraine and Russia it is normal to spank children and none is arrested for doing this.But dont think that children are punished for nothing and as wildly as news tell us.These parents did not punish their kids like this. People, don't believe the news. When immigrants come to this country first thing they've been told to not punish kids here. So some children, who do not respect their parents, armed with this in mind and make 911 calls. This kids didnt think all this happening going to be as it is now. They are scared and cry now, they want to go home with parents and live normal life, but are kept in protective custody. Do you all think it is better place for children than to be at home? IT IS ABUSE! Kids will suffer from depression. This is okey, right? There is no russian family where child died from spanking. In every nation parents spank their children,so dont make russians as monsters.Let's just pray for this family and God will do right thing.

RE: A good parent July 25, 2009 11:24 am (Pacific time)

Man, you're SO OUT OF TOUCH!: "back in biblical times you had to punish with the rod but that is because they didnt know any better". Do u have any idea? If u'd ever read Bible, you'd know that the society gets more and more rotten ea. year! So, do u think that in these demoralized times people (in general) have better idea how to raise children??? Do u think when GOD told us in the Bible to physically punish our kids He didn't know any better?!?! God bless u, "Good Parent".

Vladb July 25, 2009 8:24 am (Pacific time)

THEY DID NOT BEAT THEM THEY SPANK WITH LOVE. how can they beat child if they are members of a church that is christian, and i know myself that we and that family read bible every evening and pray to God who said once and i heard it twice that strength belonging to GOD. PS 62:11 in ukraine bible its PS61:12 King james version. all Mennonite agree that parents need to be out of jail and children should go back home. i know a lot thing like this happened. one of the member parents in MN... there child stoled a player in school and parents spank him, them in school they called police and child was against parent and told different lies, and so they put his dad in prison and gave him big fine, and they ask his wife do you think your husband did good. she said yes so they put her in jail to. and they gave this child to american family and them this child was running back to his parent many time but cops will take him back to american family. and then the child told all the true story that he lied. that they spank for good that what he told after a while. and then they gave child back to parent, and he still had to pay for the child 10-20 thousands dollars. WOW i know that family too. i hope when children will say that they lied so they will go back to the family. and grow up christian. its the fact. God bless we love him

Lusy July 25, 2009 10:52 am (Pacific time)

They did not use weapons. What do they mean by saying they did so?

Lusy July 25, 2009 10:46 am (Pacific time)

This mother breathfed the baby and they took away infant from healthy food and give him powder mixed with water. Also babies need mom not the foster ones, because they their mom and feel better. After all this they did to the baby they want to say they protect the kids? Think everyone who has the kids, is this right?

ema July 25, 2009 10:10 am (Pacific time)

i know the kids from camp and they arent that nice kids so i know that DUH they are lying

dave July 25, 2009 10:09 am (Pacific time)

this is mistreatment to the parents!!!

hey editor July 25, 2009 10:05 am (Pacific time)

editor,read the bible i mean seriosly why would the parents do such a thing .why are u against every single person . just admit it

girl k July 25, 2009 10:03 am (Pacific time)

they did the right thing they were folowing the Gods law

alex July 25, 2009 9:49 am (Pacific time)

you guys have no heart, you take a week old baby away from its mother,and say its the law???? but when an american other kill or throw away into trash their newborns/kids...you guys say its depression and it okay?!?! ask the kids if they want to stay with their parents and let them live together. if no..then let others who want them take them away and let them discipline them with compassion and a strong education...will the new parents be afraid if the these children will send them to jail also if something will be against the kid's WILL!!! american disciplined kids grow up and shoot their girlfriends/boyfriends/college buddies. after, they say they were in depression. YOU CALL THAT DISCIPLINE????????? wat will you say to that Editor?

Henry Ruark July 25, 2009 8:21 am (Pacific time)

To all: Amazed and intrigued by comments here which show mostly ignorance of how children really learn. (Do speak from special training and long, painful experience demanded to achieve success.) Deep research over centuries teaches us force never brings learning, but only avoidance and, if continued long enough, violence in return. Story clearly states full skilled investigation being done while kids protected. Any charges vs parents will be handled by strong judicial system. (Know that from full experience as reporter and jury foreman services.) Record and broad experience clearly shows most results are both judicious and equitable. IF found otherwise in any situation, we need proven cases of mischance sent to Legislature for changes in protective laws. That's how representative democracy operates, when "we the people" pay full attention and make sure it does so. WHO ELSE will protect those children subject to abuse if our system does NOT so work ? HOW ELSE do you suggest it be done ? Leave it to church and charity ? Where were they on this one ? First complaint came from perceptive persons in public situation; that's responsible citizen action, with strong follow by designated agencies. School report ? Could be,but this is summer: NO CONTACT. Here do believe common sense (read: "judicious action") operated as it should in our society, with system following through to safeguard kids and simultaneously protect family, to be restored when facts are known and full remedial action can be taken. Any volunteers here as foster parents ??? Dialog here puts solid fact from some on full record, to be shared with system people who need to know both fact and feeling among many. That, too, is part of true democratic representation; so thanks for your insightful participation leading to real cogitation by others.

EazyMoney July 25, 2009 7:52 am (Pacific time)

So his last name is Kozlov and her last name is Kozlova? That's odd.

girl July 25, 2009 12:43 am (Pacific time)

the parents were doing the right thing so let them go

dude July 25, 2009 12:40 am (Pacific time)

evry nation has good and bad poeple some russians are good and some are bad same thing with americans,

dude July 25, 2009 12:37 am (Pacific time)

why do russains have to be in this this is about kids and parents not natoins

Angela July 24, 2009 9:42 pm (Pacific time)

Give me a break...People, have anyone heard about postpartum depression? Is that judge crazy to take the 6 days old child from her? She is going to get crazy. Nobody has the right to take an infant from a mom. I hope that those 3 teenagers will be placed in the foster care, so they will understand what they did wrong, I hope they will be punished by their foster parents, and will obey, because aparently, they did not like to obey. I feel really sorry for the parents who are in jail. They have a right to spank their kids, especially when the kids are teenagers. I will pray for this family, at least they can get back the little once... God bless the parents, hope everyone will learn a lesson from this situation.

Daniel July 24, 2009 9:40 pm (Pacific time)

I have know many from the former USSR , most are good hard working and honest . A few are drunken abusers , like any group . The USA is troubled with far too many fatherless homes , and too many unsupervised children . In too many of American inner cities the number of fatherless homes is over 60% and growing . Sometimes parents over react to protect their children from such a scary and violent world . What the facts are in this case i do not know , that is for the courts to determine .Too much corporal punishment for a child is abusive , being absent is just as bad if not worse . Letting a child eat all kinds of unhealthy crap is also abuse and has great long term health risks . There are also too many native Oregonians who are tweekers . If they are around children thats real abuse !!!

stas n. July 24, 2009 8:18 pm (Pacific time)

Hello every one, I'd like to say that Anti-Christ is coming and this is just the beginning! We have to suffer and build our faith to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. The kinds did what THEY thought was right, but God allawed this to happen and it happened was a reason, so let Lord help us use this incident to build our faith in Him and prepare our children for the days to come!
(interesting - elijah, "i have question, why is the JUDGE putting his hand on the bible before judging someone??? if the JUDGE dousnt obey the bible then he cant put his hand on bible, the judge has to learn the bible and what it says in their" (a person can only serve one master ...)

Editor: Do you have any idea how weird you sound? Our creator is a loving God. He sent his son here to teach us to love one another. You don't have to wait for the Anti-Christ, the devil is always here from the way this planet looks.

As far as these kids go, respect between people has to be mutual.

As confusing as it gets sometimes, we have separation of church and state in this nation. It doesn't appear that way when they raise their hand and swear on the Bible, I agree with that, but just atop spouting off and scaring people away from Christianity - which has nothing to do with being a bullying ass toward defenseless little kids. I think that men who beat children or women aren't even men at all - just sick twisted whackos that more often that not were raised the same way, but don't have the sense to be different toward their own kids. I hope all people who brutalize little kids in Oregon get locked up. And guess what? Those hardened criminals in prison don't like men who beat and hurt little kids. A person convicted of that would not fare well if they were locked up for hurting little kids by beating them with sticks. We don't like bullies in the United States, and anyone doing that to kids should worry if anyone like me walks up on it. I think I can speak for many millions of American men and women who would put a stop to the abuse on the spot,

Lastly, why do you use different names on your posts? You aren't just strange, you are false and apparently don't even know your own name. So, if you come back with more of this I will probably not approve your comment. Don't say I didn't give you a heads up first.

Jonhny July 24, 2009 4:54 pm (Pacific time)

so what can be with a parents and the kids?

Jose July 24, 2009 7:04 pm (Pacific time)

in america kids can do whatever they want. there is no way to stop them,if you try to spank a little it wont help, if you spank hard enough to make them think ... you go to jail. I wish my parents would spank me with rods, so i would be a better person.

Marina July 24, 2009 6:57 pm (Pacific time)

This story is a huge wake up call for parents who spank there children Russian or not. Mostly everyone here say that they are Christian will if they are then you know everything happens for a reason and God is doing his work. This is another story that we can definitely learn from. . . be thankful for your parents and for parents you choose to come to a State with a no hitting law and if you are a Christian as most people here writing they are will than you know the law comes from God it's a horrible thing that the kids called on their parents and it's horrible thing that the parents spanked their kids to the point that there are scares. We don't know what really happened behind the walls of their house and this could happen to and religion or culture. I don't believe that on Russians spank their kids I know Americans and others who do so too but there is a boundary on spanking. When kids see their parents hit they think it's alright for them to hit too and here is where the violence starts in the country. It's sad to see another family fall apart it really is but there is a lesson to be learned.
To Editor: you probably never seen so many comments on a story before ;)

Editor: Marina, you are right that this has far more than usual. You can actually track comments on the button to the left and get an idea which stories receive many. I hope in the end that this story serves as a wake up call for all people, because problems with child abuse are present in every culture. We also work closely with the subject of combat stress, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, very common in soldiers returning from war. The same thing of course can be experienced by victims of other crimes, abuse, deadly accidents, etc. I think personally that the Russian and Ukrainian culture and people are really cool and I know many. I just like to see people show their better side. And I hope the best answer is found for this particular situation. I have no doubt it is very disturbing and causes many people a lot of stress. Thanks for your comments.

To the editor July 24, 2009 6:45 pm (Pacific time)

do u know if i could find some vidios or pics. of the kids anywere or at leat find out were they are right now.

Editor: We probably can not locate pictures of the kids, but we are trying to get more information from the authorities about the status.

TO EDITOR and others July 24, 2009 6:28 pm (Pacific time)

lol, i am in American I never lived in Russia so got no idea what's there

A good parent July 24, 2009 4:54 pm (Pacific time)

I am a good parent and i dont always use spanking to get my point across to my kids. I think that it is crap that everyone uses the Bible as their defense. Ok back in biblical times you had to punish with the rod but that is because they didnt know any better. We do now know that this is not the only way. I think that the people commenting are turning to the bible to justify their culture. A culture that has alot to learn. American law states that you can spank your children but NOT with any object. Spanking your kids with a stick or wire or whatever else they spanked them with IS ABUSE!!!! First it is spanking with sticks then what is next? It gets out of hand really fast. If Russia and the Ukrain are so great then you all need to go back and practice your biblical beatings there because we wont stand for it. We are for children here.

Jane July 24, 2009 4:49 pm (Pacific time)

Hi,im american.And i 100%against the kids!!!they did the wrong thing.6 years they were abuused...how can it be?6 years they had to hide all the bruses...thats impossible...COME ON!!!when u will come to school with some bruse and everyone asking wwhat happen and all this stuff...thats just impossible to try to think of another story....How cops and other people can believe them...i dont understand...The parents are clear in front of God,cause they were doing what bible says... It doesnt matter US is a free country,and anybody can live here!!!Whats up with u EDITOR???They were doing right..it's the GOd rules..and they cant go against it...PLZ UNDERSTAND THEM!!!

Anonymous July 24, 2009 4:43 pm (Pacific time)

Almost everyone in this country US is christian!!!And all the christians read the Bible and they know the rules... Just believe me kids will understand later like in 2 weeks or in months what they did...and thats will be unchangebale ... Like 80%kids lied...and if they were the true kids they would never do that to a parents..and to themselfes!!!

vlad July 24, 2009 2:59 pm (Pacific time)

I know the relatives of these people and i cannot believe what the kids did to the parents.If i would be in this position i would never do this like the kids did.I hope that all this situation will end.And i will pray for them.God bless:)

Christina July 24, 2009 2:53 pm (Pacific time)

Im just really shocked abt this situation.And i just cant imagine how parents feel right now.Its just hard to think abt it.Poor parents,but i just dont understand how kids did that...They just dont have respect,and i think they should be spanked more..because its not normal..And about their lie,they just dont think what they are doing with their life and with the life of all the smaller kids.May God bless the parents,and Be with them throught all this hard times.Maybe throught this situation and this problem God wants to show us something,God wants to teach us lesson.I'll pray for them.AND I REALLY HOPE KIDS SOON WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY DID.and it doesnt matter what nation are u,everybody have to spank their children whenn they are wrong.And its right!!!IF all parents would do that in this country will be less crimes,and all the bad stuff what happening right now in this world.If u spank kids it means u love them and u wish the best to them,but if u dont that means u dont even care!!! this parents is in my prayers!!!And this kids made the biggest mistake in their life...

girl July 24, 2009 11:56 am (Pacific time)

editor,where can i find or read the latest news about this family? I want to know where are the children right now.

Editor: I will make some calls and try to get an update.

? July 24, 2009 1:35 pm (Pacific time)

Do these comments go further than this website? courts, police anyone read these comments?
by the way, so what's happening to the kids and these parents?

Editor: These comments are read by everyone who takes the time to do so. Yes, police and everyone else is on that list. Each time a person writes "it is OK to hit kids with a stick" they are making things worse for the parents. This appears to be a culture that is completely unwilling to let go of very old ways that are from the old country. I believe that people who want to have the advantages of living in this country should do their best to follow the laws. If not, they will simply be jailed like these parents. The saddest part to me is how almost every comment from the Russian/Ukrainian community advocates strictly for the parents and not for the children. And I have some news for all of you: most American kids are good kids and these kids seem like they are Americans now, even if their parents aren't. Children need to be raised with compassion and a strong education. My kids don't need to be beaten to have good behavior, there are other ways, better ways, that just beating the hell out of a kid with a stick.

TO EDITOR and others July 24, 2009 1:33 pm (Pacific time)

Spanking a child with a stick is not child abuse it's discipline. It has nothing to do with faith, if more American families spanked their children there would be less people in jail,gangs etc. I do have to say, Russians are much well behaved than most other nationalities here in the US.

Editor: Your Russian nationalism has no place here. Why don't you still live there if it is so much better?

Julia D. July 24, 2009 12:28 pm (Pacific time)

The parent were just spanking them not abousing the kids.Im 13 and i think that my parents love me and thats why they spank me to make me become a better person in life. How come the mother that drounded her 5 kids in a bathtub didnt get arrested or the mother who killed her to kids a boy and a girl by slamming rocks on there head the cops and judge just said that they were in a depression and this, the parents were only spanking the kids because they love them and want them to be great kids and great row modles for the young because thats what the BIBLE says and they put them to jail. Weres the justice why is it so unfair? The stupied laws in America. Heres an example a little boy riped out 3 birds toungs out and when he grew up and had kids his first 3 girls were deaf and coudnt speak because there dad did that to the 3 little birds. The kids will regret all of this when they grow up.So lets just hope and pray that all of this will end and the kids and the parents will reunite as a family once again.

Anonymous July 24, 2009 12:07 pm (Pacific time)

well they're parent weren't monsters .. the kids just had to respect! I hope they all get together again! especially i fell sorry for week old baby

vb July 24, 2009 12:02 pm (Pacific time)

EDITOR YOU Replied to mariaK This... Why are you here if you are going to insult American people at large? If your culture does such a fine job of raising kids, why are there always to many people of Russian and Ukrainian heritage being arrested for serious crimes? because read Mathew 5: 10 Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 “Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

eli July 24, 2009 11:48 am (Pacific time)

spanking with a stick is not child abuse this is love to children, ABORTION IS WORSE THAN SPANKING, ABORTION IS ABUSE WHICH FOR ABORTION PARENTS HAVE TO BE IN PRISON LIFE TERM.

Ukraninanmiss July 24, 2009 11:47 am (Pacific time)

Ow come on people its not okey for us to offend American's we live i their country! OK??thanx!

why? July 24, 2009 11:08 am (Pacific time)

we all russians have to write 1,000,000 letters to OBAMA about this, and write 1,000,000,000 letters to judge, i think PRESIDENT OBAMA will help and free douse parents,

alex July 24, 2009 11:06 am (Pacific time)

this children are 14 15 and what they say is not true, this is the age that can lie real good, when they will be 18 they will be ripping their hairs from their head in mothers grave, and well wake up mom i will kiss you and kiss but its going to be quit, and mom wont wake up...

elijah July 24, 2009 11:00 am (Pacific time)

i have question, why is the JUDGE putting his hand on the bible before judging someone??? if the JUDGE dousnt obey the bible then he cant put his hand on bible, the judge has to learn the bible and what it says in their,

eli July 24, 2009 10:56 am (Pacific time)

WHY DO COPS CHASE DRUG PEOPLE IN USA???? WHY IN USA SO MUCH CRIME AND KILLINGS???? WHY SO MUCH BAD STUFF GOING ON, ITS BECAUSE OF THIS STUPID LAWS USA HAS, IF EVERYONE WOULD LIVE THE BIBLE WAY AND SPANK THEIR CHILDREN THEY WOULD GROW UP REAL PEOPLE, NOT AMERICAN BUMBS,

minister July 24, 2009 9:57 am (Pacific time)

BIBLE WAY! this parents were spanking right, they are Christians and they spanked children the way bible teaches, bible says spank with ROD which meens (a stick, wand, staff, or the like, of wood, metal, or other material.), this is not called abusing children this is called spanking with love,
Proverbs 13:24 He who spares his rod hates his son,
But he who loves him disciplines him promptly.

Proverbs 19:18 Chasten your son while there is hope,
And do not set your heart _ on his destruction.

Proverbs 22:15 Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child;
The rod of correction will drive it far from him.

Proverbs 23:13 Do not withhold correction from a child,
For if you beat him with a rod, he will not die.

Proverbs 23:14 You shall beat him with a rod,
And deliver his soul from _ hell.

Proverbs 29:15 The rod and rebuke give wisdom,
But a child left to himself brings shame to his mother.

Editor: Beating a child with a stick or rod is child abuse. You can not change that. Even if you believe that is the right thing to do, U.S. law says it is not. Nobody has a right to move to another country and not assimilate at least to a degree that they are compliant with the law. Americans are treated the exact same way. Can we please just let this go and allow the system to do its job?

Where is justice? July 24, 2009 6:09 am (Pacific time)

Where is justice. Why parents have to be in jail. They are not guilty, and they are not found to be guilty. God bless

hey people July 24, 2009 1:07 am (Pacific time)

i just found out that they have no right to take the 6 day old infant,only after 6-months.and they just did.that was so so mean.just think about it! the child should go back to her mom.

Donetsk July 24, 2009 12:23 am (Pacific time)

I grew up in a family of 6 kids and am 24 years of age now. When I was a teenager I remember my parents were very strict and would punish me when I was doing something wrong. My father and mother would always tell me "we only punish you because we love you and care for you" and I could never understand how could punishing me show me that my parents love me. And when I grew a little older I understood parents that care for there children punish them by reminding them that they are on the wrong path and need to change there ways and thank God to that because they taught me manners, respect, and a love for my parents and a God. Please let these parents take care of there children!!! I can asure you that when these kids grow up they will regrate what they have done. God beless this family and help them get throught these hard times.

maria k July 23, 2009 9:50 pm (Pacific time)

woooww.i agree w/ all these ppl accept the americans!
those parents love there kids to death!and they want the best for them!Not like american teens..who have done drugs,alcohol,and all of the dumb stuff!! hopefully,the kids will learn that what they did was very rude..and just showed alitile respect they had for the parentzz.(hopefully the americans can learn and do the same w/ there kids) the teens didnt get enough of spanking...let god help th poor parents..and really let the kids know what kind of stupid thing they did!
gods w/ them(:

Emily July 24, 2009 8:55 am (Pacific time)

parents were only spanking them. They NEVER obused them When kids will grow up they will regeret about it really bad.

vladb July 24, 2009 4:45 am (Pacific time)

i am really close to this family, and i know there faith. that just what kids say is lie. and parent need to be release from jail and all children need TO GO BACK HOME. JUST THINK PEOPLE!!! How much parents were crying when police went in the house and took children. when i look at this lady, I would never say it was her. she said that she brabably wont stand this. may God bless you trust in GOd and do the right

Mariya July 24, 2009 1:58 am (Pacific time)

Editor: My congrats that you raised five kids and become a grandfather:). I'm also glad that you admitted the truth and started talking logically. Thank you!

Vot eto Da July 23, 2009 11:47 pm (Pacific time)

If a parents will kill(abort) 7 babies before they are born thats totally fine. If a child gets spanked with a belt for not being obedient, THAT IS CRIME. YOU ARE A CRIMINAL, while your neighbor can kill a child that is not born and that will be all good. That is illogical. Here its illegal to discipline your children, cuz they want criminals to grow up so police and jails would function.

Editor: Well, nice to hear from the neighborhood abortion protester. And don't worry, few will be excited that someone obsessed with controlling women would also support beating small children. Must have been a tough upbringing for you, I have pity for your sad view.

Alexei July 23, 2009 11:25 pm (Pacific time)

"...и восстанут дети на родителей, и умертвят их" Матфея 10:21

Translation: "... Children on parents also will rise, and will destroy them " Матфея 10:21

Confused July 23, 2009 11:12 pm (Pacific time)

Thanks wow! I agree God bless

Mariya July 23, 2009 11:07 pm (Pacific time)

EDITOR: This message for you!!!! I've read all comments over this sad story. It's really upsetting to read your comments because you won't admit the truth about American kids. You know that in this country kids are really spoiled. Because at schools from elementary through high school kids being thought to "lock up" their parents.Even though you guys are showing and saying that they will get help and be safe if they are being abused by their parents. Over that kids are taking advantage and for little thing they go and call cops for their parents saying they were physically abused. Unfortunately,the naked truth hasn't been said and soooooo many parents locked up because of the advantage that American gives to kids. You're saying that "We raise our children fairly here, your behavior from the old country is not allowed here" I hope you do raise your kids fairly (if you have them). It's not their behavior like you said from old country it it the parents who knows how to raise their kids properly so they wont become like most American kids. EDITOR, unfortunately this country is really bad influence to kids that came from other countries. I hope you're kids won't lock you up like this.

Editor: Mariya, we have a policy of maintaining comments the best we can here at Salem-News.com. We do not think these parents are guilty; we don't know. We don't know if the kids are honest, but from experience, the police frequently get these right. Sometimes they do not. We do have an overbearing state system with DHS, I agree. I also agree that American kids can be spoiled but I don't think it is an across the board statement. In fact with the way the economy is going, I think there will be a lot fewer spoiled kids in the future. This series of comments got out of hand pretty quickly and I would like to hope that this will settle things a little bit. Let's agree that being religious does not make a parent automatically in the right, and that kids do have the capability of raising false charges. Only time will tell my friend. As far as kids go, I have five boys and I became a grandfather yesterday for the first time. I will tell you this also, that if it turns out that there is a false accusation at play and if the charges are dropped against these parents, I will gladly write that story in their favor, OK?

Confused July 23, 2009 11:02 pm (Pacific time)

Dear Editor I dont think we are trying to look pathetic.... its just we went through this and we know its for good discipline is good!Of course not beatings- which i doubt happened.-false info

wow July 23, 2009 10:57 pm (Pacific time)

I couldn't believe this story when I saw the news Wednesday night. I don't know who these people are but don't believe for a second these parents abused their children. At the age these kids are 15, 14, 13 they do stupid stuff and hate their parents and what kids do at this age they don't realize that in a couple years they will regard it but what's done can't be rewind. Kids fall and scrap it doesn't mean it's bruises from parents.I do believe the parents spanked/hit them but only if the kids deserved it. The kids didn't care about their siblings and how they will live on with out their parents, it's so selfish. I live in Washington and we have different laws regarding "abuse" here, but Orego n has so much laws that need to be redone and this is one of them, I really feel sorry for the baby and the young kids who don't deserve to have their parents taken away, but I think instead of the parents in jail the kids who called should at least for a day sit in the jail them selves and think about what they did and take there words back, if they are Christian or not if they are Russian or American or any other this is not right, I work in the law and don't believe the police should have believed the stupid kids who are going through a stage of a teenager. I don't think they knew what would have actually happened to them and their family. And also the kids said that parents started to abuse when they got to the US that's crap, America has to much freedom for kid and people and the kids just understood that, the parents didn't change- the kids did. I am a mother of two and I can't even put the feels around my head how the parents feel right now, feel really bad for them. Good luck, and hope they don't stay in jail and get justice. And as for the kids who called good luck in your life cause what you plant in life is what will grow. Good luck.

Kristina July 23, 2009 9:56 pm (Pacific time)

Editor.Look how much people are against the kids,and nobody is against the parents.And this is not abusing but love and care for the children's future life,which they dont understand.

Dima July 23, 2009 9:47 pm (Pacific time)

i know the relatives of these people. They are so sad that these kids did that. i dont get how u believe those kids that they had to hide their wounds. Just think about it you have a lot of witnesses that they didn't see any wound the kids are just scared of spankes. I got spanked before and im happy cause punishment helps kids know that the r doing wrong. Also think about death penalty thats worse than stick hitting your butt. It hurts but for a couple minutes then stops. So please let the family be the rulers of their kids ok? they just wish them good life when they grow up in dissipine. how else would teach a child to not be bad behavior?

NADIA ST. July 23, 2009 7:59 pm (Pacific time)

i know this family really, really good.the parents were doing what the Bible tells them to do.they read the Bible and followed the rules.The children did not want to listen to their parents. they did not respect them.there are worser situations than this. THIS IS NOT CALLED ABUSE!!!!!!!!

vladimer July 23, 2009 8:30 pm (Pacific time)

editor. i know this family for many years and years and still know them. this family never hit children, they spank with love, to make them Christians, so when they grow up, so they wont be like a lot of Americans familys using drugs, fighting, world ly peaoply behind the gates in jail. Proverbs 29:15 The rod and rebuke give wisdom, But a child left to himself brings shame to his mother. Bible says spank with ROD which meens (a stick, wand, staff, or the like, of wood, metal, or other material.), this is not called abusing children this is called spanking with love, but they didnt spank with metal wood, it just children lie how CAN THE JUJDGE BELIEVE KIDS, there are only 15 14 13 yr old. WOW children dont think know they will get it later. thanks may God bless you all.

NADIA ST. July 23, 2009 8:08 pm (Pacific time)

i know this family really, really good.the parents did what the Bible tells us to do.they read the Bible and followed the rules.the children did NOT respect their parents.THIS IS NOT CALLED ABUSE!!!!! We pray for this family so God would bring the whole family back together!

angela olegovna July 23, 2009 8:07 pm (Pacific time)

Well GRRR What are you trying to say??... maybe you should thank God for having parents like that. Or otherwise you may not had any kids and would be stuck in jail! i dont think you're getting the point here Sir. It's kids -disobeying matter!

Editor: If you abuse your kids you will be locked up and you deserve it. We raise our children fairly here, your behavior from the old country is not allowed here. These parents need to value our legal system and not do regretful things to their kids. Now the kids are likely with a foster family they don't even know, and they knew that would be the outcome.

Steve July 23, 2009 7:05 pm (Pacific time)

There was no mention of what kind of abuse went on!!! To me it sounds like a bunch of kids retaliating against their parents and using our court system to do their dirty work.

Andre July 23, 2009 7:01 pm (Pacific time)

Why is there so much reference to Russians being our enemy? I thought the Cold War was over. Why is the editor encouraging hate speech? Please do not stereotype the Russian people based on one or couple families. If it wasn’t for the Russians, we would be probably speaking German.

Editor: Hate speech? Don't you dare accuse me of such a stupid thing. Figure it out, and no Russia is not our enemy. However, the people who move here from other parts of the world have no right to bring the criminal side of their old ways here. Stalin by the way, killed more of his own people than Hitler killed in total. Most figures estimate his murders at around 20 million. While that was taking place in the Soviet Union, Americans were pulling each other through the Depression. The stupid Russian Army went with Hitler first and then Hitler turned on them and then they were on our side... barely. I saw the handiwork of the more modern Russians in Afghanistan where they raped and pillaged and murdered over a million Afghan people out of existence, before getting their world power asses kicked into submission by the Afghan Mujahideen. I met Afghans who told me about the savage horror that the Russians brought them. You should read about what hate speech is, and you should also study the term, "child advocacy".

Daniel July 23, 2009 6:58 pm (Pacific time)

They may be guilty as hell but this is a country where you have your day in court before judgement .

Andre July 23, 2009 6:53 pm (Pacific time)

Sounds like the Editor is a Liberal fanatic who would like the government involved in every minute of his/her life. Child abuse is definitely wrong, but disciplining a child is what this “free” country is missing. That is why US has the highest number of people incarcerated per capita.

Editor: Andre, if police make an arrest without evidence, they lose credibility with judges. The odds of several children contacting police simultaneously with abuse allegations just to have themselves thrown in a foster home, is highly unusual. It is an indictment of all the kids as a group that I think gives the kids credibility. What I gather from most Ukrainian people writing in, is that they don't have any particular regard for their young. Pretty sad, makes you all look pretty pathetic advocating strictly for the parents and leaving the kids out in the cold. Maybe the parents should have been more careful. They are innocent until proven guilty, probably an aspect of the U.S. system that none of you will whine about.

GRRR July 23, 2009 5:04 pm (Pacific time)

OHHH, Please!!!! Stop! Stop bringing religion and God in to this! First of all your creator gave you brains to use! Read the bible use the brains, and i am sure you will not beat your kids. Im a father of two and was raised in that culture, so i know how it is and how you all think! Tell you what, some of the Ukranian/Russian people are misunderstanding a lot of bible scriptures....! No body is talking about that spanking is wrong, no body is saying you can't punish your kids. you just have to do it with humanity and love!!! Although i think kids will regret for what they did, but some parents need a lesson!

Vic July 23, 2009 4:27 pm (Pacific time)

May God have mercy on the kids souls. And bless the parents and help them. Those kids need to get there ass beat more!! I've been raised in a russian/ukrainian home and thank God my parents spanked me. God said to do so. They only spand there childred because they love them. May God help the parents..

Editor: So this is the way it is for you folks from the Ukraine who live in Oregon today? It is interesting that you believe you should live here but not follow laws or adapt to the local culture. Russia and the Ukraine were heavily purged of the people who were scholars, journalists, artists, scientists and musicians. Maybe all we have to show for it is a bunch of child abusers and people who have no mercy for children? I am afraid that if you want to raise your children illegally and with an iron hand, perhaps you should go back to the land of the Iron Curtain.

no July 23, 2009 3:53 pm (Pacific time)

I don't see how the police have the authority to take away the 6 day child. And I don't see why they were not brought to child abuse prevention first? The parents should have authority over their children. Or is everyone born in America belong to the Government?

where is justice? July 23, 2009 2:15 pm (Pacific time)

I don't get why mostly everyone is taking kids side! And parents abused them for 6 years??????I'm pretty sure they would tell earlier.they have a lot of family and friends (in court room) and parents would never do that especially if they had so many children that means they wanted them and they knew how to take care of them!!! not hit/abuse them! I mean this is my opinion.

Vik July 23, 2009 12:49 pm (Pacific time)

I hope those children will understand what they've done. I know this family. The children need more spanking and they will get it... the life will give them lessons from now on. I will pray for parents, they are the victims, not children. Hopefully it ends soon and children will be back home and obey their parents.

CAHEK1984 July 23, 2009 12:49 pm (Pacific time)

I'm 24 year old. I was born and raised in Ukraine. I came to this country when i was 17. And i thank God that my parents have spanked me when i was a child. Only God knows what i would be like if my parents wouldn't punish me for my wrong doings. I never ended up in jail, drugadict, or some worst. God help those parents.

5mariya5 July 23, 2009 11:26 am (Pacific time)

kids can say anything. wow . parents have a right to spank. those kids were probably just mad because of spanking and didnt listen to their mom and dad. they tattled and the parents have NO rights to discipline in this country. no wonder kids are so rebellious here. absolutely no respect bacause they know they can tattle and dhs will first take the kids and ask questions later.

Editor: A few decades ago in this country, there were no opportunities for child abuse victims. The thing about your point, is that it leaves no room for the kids to be right. Sadly, people from other cultures, especially really sad places like Eastern Europe, don't always see things the way Americans do. But don't blame little kids for doing what is right. It makes you sound very heartless and almost makes you sound like a supporter of child abuse. Finally, we don't pull punches when talking about agencies like DHS. In fact we recently published an article from an Oregon mom who feels her family has been horribly abused by the state system. Just think about what you write and how it comes across to people.

music freak July 23, 2009 11:09 am (Pacific time)

O.W????Russians are the enemy????!

konphetka July 23, 2009 11:08 am (Pacific time)

The media "forgets" to tell you that these parents are true Christians. They also don't mention how parents are feeling. Look deep in those eyes, see how much pain is there... how many tears were and are spilled. Read Bible: Proverbs: 29:15 "The rod and reproof give wisdom." 22:15 " Foolishness is bound in the heart of the child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him." The media is not always telling the truth, dont let anyone blind you..

Editor: Well what you are actually doing is blaming the kids. Why would we mention what religion they are in the story? That doesn't even makes sense. Maybe if these people or YOU comprehended the Bible in any way, you would know that you aren't supposed to be abusive toward innocent children. I'm not saying they are guilty, they aren't and they haven't been convicted of anything. The story is a simple review of events. We don't care what religion people are, it is a free country when it comes to that.

ahley July 23, 2009 10:48 am (Pacific time)

i know the kids, the 13 year-old was in they same class with me in 7 grade and what they did is wrong, yeah they say we are happy that are parents are in jail. but in said their hearts they are cry like hell wishing they never did this. they did evil to their parent but the most evil they done is to their baby brother they even didn't care about him how sad, they're parents are nice people and they do not abuse their kids they cause hit them when they dont liens that all the kids should just leave town so we dont have to look at them , i even cant believe i was friend's with her

smoother July 23, 2009 10:18 am (Pacific time)

Why blame parents? and why believe 15 year olds? in that age teen would do anything to ditch home and go out there in the world because the rules at home are very religious?!!! And they have to obey them! The government is like doing them a favor NO??-those spoiled brats! i bet then beat themselves for evidence and poor baby shes just a week old! I heard that when the cops came they snatched the baby from her mommy and food! why so cruel????? Pray for justice.

Editor: OK, I am getting a little tired of this now. Maybe we really need to open an investigation into this story and really get people up to speed on what these "parents" have been doing to their children. The more people write in about these supposedly "religious" people, the less I believe that they aren't probably guilty. I will pray for justice and I hope every person who abuses children is arrested and convicted. With you as an advocate, these people need no enemies.

no July 23, 2009 9:39 am (Pacific time)

This is so sad, will the authorities really find a home better for these kids? I mean, since the kids? And taking an infant away from the mother is as cruel as it gets! Great'ly saddened by the news, and I hope justice will prevail! GOD BLESS! You are in our prayers!

humpty July 23, 2009 1:10 am (Pacific time)

O.W. They are Ukrainians Not those Evil Russkies (sarcasm)

Vicky July 23, 2009 12:14 am (Pacific time)

I think parents did the right thing to vospitivat their kids. I hope so kids would understand what they did. God bless...

O.W. Cannor July 22, 2009 10:36 pm (Pacific time)

Looks like they might... according to the kids. I'd believe it. If the kids say so, I'll trust their word, thank you. You never know after all aren't those russians the enemy?

Editor: Of course O.W. says this in jest... right O.W.?

THeRigHt July 22, 2009 2:48 pm (Pacific time)

Well i hope it all goes well. I know those parents they're great. They would never abuse their children!!!God bless them in these hard times.Pray y'all.

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